- #1 Dumbino
97% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Black Smoke Studios
Windows
Dumbino is a funny chaotic physics-based puzzle game where you topple dominoes with explosions, wild chain reactions, and pure madness. Embrace the epic goofy mayhem as you create and solve unhinged levels. Build and share your craziest designs and custom levels with the community!
Why similar: LEGO 25.6% ★, Sandbox 9.9%, Building 9.1%, Level Editor 9%, Physics 7.9%
- #2 World of Contraptions
96% matchVery Positive87% of 97 reviews2022
Dev: JCP Games Studio
Windows
World of Contraptions is a physics-based building game in which you build the most varied contraptions to solve the most diverse types of puzzles. Win dozens of levels with different types of obstacles. Design the best contraption for each challenge using a giant collection of blocks.
Why similar: LEGO 21.3% ★, Science 12.1% ★, Building 9%, Sandbox 8.9%, Physics 7.8%
- #3 Gadget Master: A Secret Agency Lab
96% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Cleversan Games
Windows
Build cube gadgets for special agents. Combine parts, test inventions, and save missions in a race against time and a limited budget.
Why similar: LEGO 39.8% ★, Building 11%, Logic 10.5%, Simulation 8.2%, Physics 8.1%
- #4 Evercraft Mechanic: Sandbox
95% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Saint G
Windows · Linux
Physics-based cross-play mechanic simulator. Become a real engineer, create new mechanisms and build your worlds. Craft, join & share your creation across PC and mobile devices. Play with your friends beyond one platform.
Why similar: LEGO 28.9% ★, Sandbox 14.7%, Simulation 12.3%, Science 11.7% ★, Building 10.8%
- #5 Brickmasters
94% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Brain Seal Ltd
Windows
A physics based brick building game
Why similar: LEGO 34.3% ★, Sandbox 15.3%, Building 12.1%, Physics 11.6%, Destruction 9.2%
- #6 Creaturing - Sea Wonders
94% matchNo user reviews
Dev: A Little Smarter
Windows
Create physics-based sea creatures and discover evolution through surprising challenges! Control, test, and share your creatures made with our flexible building system! Evolution is full of quirky surprises, can you be more creative than nature it self?
Why similar: LEGO 34.6% ★, Science 14.2% ★, Sandbox 10%, Physics 8.4%, Building 8.1%
- #7 Operation Outsmart
93% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Unifiq
Windows
Physics-based sandbox game where you build wacky machines to solve environmental puzzles. Create alloys from a mix of metals to reinforce your builds, recruit koalas to operate your weapons, solve puzzles to get rewarded with parts and weapons, and save the island from the erupting volcano!
Why similar: LEGO 16.5% ★, Science 14.9% ★, Building 14.2%, Sandbox 13.8%, Physics 11.5%
- #8 GENIUS AT WORK!
92% match6 user reviews83% of 6 reviews2020
Dev: Lucas Fernandez
Windows
Test your intelligence and creativity! With Genius At Work you will have your construction area where you can let your imagination fly and carry out your technical projects.
Why similar: LEGO 39.4% ★, Science 17.6% ★, Education 10.6%, Physics 8.1%, Crafting 8%
- #9 Sand in a Box
91% match7 user reviews71% of 7 reviews2024
Dev: Tiliasoft.com
Windows · Linux
Sand in a Box is a 'falling sand' game that simulates thermal flow, electricity, radioactive decay, and gravity. Create art, experiment with physics, and craft your own simulation rules with user-friendly mod support!
Why similar: LEGO 23% ★, Science 16.9% ★, Sandbox 10.9%, Education 10.2%, Physics 9.3%
- #10 Crafty Crasher
91% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Peterclark
Windows · Mac
Craft and trigger contraptions to perfection or glorious chaos! Smash cars, rescue heroes, and create hilarious scenes with your own interactive systems! From giant hammers to epic chain reactions, anything is possible!
Why similar: LEGO 35.1% ★, Sandbox 12.1%, Level Editor 11.7%, Physics 10.9%, Building 10.2%
- #11 Coaster Crash Course
90% matchPositive97% of 29 reviews2025
Dev: Pianova Games
Windows
Roller coaster design puzzle meets physics sandbox. In a series of increasingly challenging levels your task is to get creative and build all kinds of crazy coasters. Don't get too crazy, though, or physics will turn your coaster into a rocket.
Why similar: Sandbox 20%, Building 17.8%, Simulation 16.3%, Physics 14.1%, Level Editor 12.9%
- #12 Virtual Chemistry Lab
89% match1 user reviews100% of 1 reviews2023
Dev: Alpay Akay
Windows
This is a serious game. Made for educational purposes. It was made in order to enable students to understand the high school chemistry curriculum and to provide equality of opportunity.
Why similar: Science 23.4% ★, Education 19.6%, Sandbox 16.1%, Simulation 14.3%, Physics 11.9%
- #13 Poly Bricks
89% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Dry Cactus
Windows
A brick-building puzzle game. Assemble sets of increasing complexity, design your own, share with the community.
Why similar: LEGO 35.2% ★, Sandbox 14.9%, Building 13.5%, Physics 12.5%, Relaxing 5.3%
- #14 Diorama Maker
88% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Sheyper
Windows
Diorama Maker is an easy to use sandbox toy that lets you build dioramas in VR (and later on desktop). Choose from thousands of objects and create your own world.
Why similar: LEGO 45.3% ★, Sandbox 15%, Building 13.9%, Level Editor 10.4%, Simulation 8.4%
- #15 Momentum Mayhem
87% matchNo user reviews2024
Dev: UnscriptedLogic
Windows
A casual 2.5D physics oriented game about building unorthodox contraptions to solve puzzles with a variety of items at disposal
Why similar: Science 22.3% ★, Sandbox 16%, Building 15.2%, Education 15.1%, Physics 11.9%
- #16 Reactonix Sandbox
86% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Dark Games DGG
Windows · Linux
Reactonix is a flexible and enjoyable simulation sandbox where every force is at your command. Create ecosystems alone or with friends, experiment with physics and watch life evolve—or start an apocalypse for the sake of science. Complete freedom to create and destroy is in your hands.
Why similar: Science 21.2% ★, Sandbox 16.6%, Physics 12.8%, Moddable 9.6% ★, Simulation 8.8%
- #17 Master Builder Simulator
85% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Sebastian Paulo Andres
Windows
Dive into virtual brick-building with Master Builder Simulator! Explore solo or with friends in Sandbox, Model Building, Co-op, or versus modes. Unleash your inner Master Builder in endless creative adventures!
Why similar: LEGO 43.3% ★, Sandbox 12.6%, Building 11.3%, Physics 8.7%, Crafting 8.7%
- #18 3d Engineers
86% matchMixed40% of 25 reviews2015
Dev: Robert DahlenburgPub: Dahlenburg
Windows
3d Engineers is a sandbox game/tool in engineering and construction.
Why similar: Simulation 22.1%, Building 20.7%, Physics 15.6%, Sandbox 14.6%, Moddable 14.1% ★
- #19 The Powder Toy
83% matchOverwhelmingly Positive98% of 2,488 reviews2024
Dev: The Powder Toy Team
Windows · Mac · Linux
The Powder Toy is a classic physics sandbox game, which simulates air pressure and velocity, heat, gravity and a countless number of interactions between different substances
Why similar: Sandbox 20.9%, Science 15.4% ★, Simulation 12.6%, Moddable 11.8% ★, Physics 10.6%
- #20 Creating New World
84% matchNo user reviews2025
Dev: Jian StudioPub: Jian Publish
Windows
This is a building game. We have redesigned the building structure and logic. Breaking down a building into basic forms and units, these basic units can be directly used, or create more forms. Players can freely build objects by selecting building forms, choosing the quantity, specifying the color.
Why similar: LEGO 52.2% ★, Education 14.8%, Building 13.9%, Crafting 7.8%, Relaxing 7%
- #21 Fantastic Contraption Classic 1 & 2
84% matchVery Positive98% of 92 reviews2020
Dev: Northway Games
Windows
The original physics building game is now on PC! Use minimal tools to build an infinite variety of puzzle-solving machines. Featuring over 70 THOUSAND user-generated levels, and includes the sequel Fantastic Contraption Classic 2!
Why similar: Physics 19.4%, Building 18.9%, Simulation 13.7%, Sandbox 12.6%, Education 11.7%
- #22 Move My Moc
82% match7 user reviews86% of 7 reviews2024
Dev: Gabor Farkas
Windows · Mac
Import and play your LDraw models in an open-world, car-focused sandbox environment.
Why similar: LEGO 36.3% ★, Sandbox 16.9%, Building 13.5%, Physics 11.4%, Simulation 10.7%
- #23 Besiege
81% matchOverwhelmingly Positive95% of 52,104 reviews2020
Dev: Spiderling Studios
Windows · Mac · Linux
Median: 2.4 hrsMean: 19.1 hrs≥1hr: 71%
Besiege is a physics building game about constructing medieval machines to annihilate armies, obliterate castles and overcome challenging obstacles. Conquer the campaign or skirmish with friends in Multiplayer!
Why similar: LEGO 32.3% ★, Moddable 10.5% ★, Sandbox 10.4%, Building 9.9%, Level Editor 9.2%
- #24 Marvelous Marbles
82% match1 user reviews0% of 1 reviews2023
Dev: Mindemia
Windows · Linux
Build marble runs where your imagination is the only limit. Use a variety of shapes and materials. When they are not enough, use mechanical contraptions to lift, push and steer your marbles. Can't find the right style or function of a piece? Then you can build your own!
Why similar: Sandbox 20.8%, Physics 18.9%, Simulation 12.8%, Moddable 11.2% ★, Education 10%
- #25 Gravity
81% matchPositive93% of 15 reviews2023
Dev: Tiny Castle Games
Windows
Test your problem solving skills and creativity in over 80 physics-based puzzles. Hours of fun for the completionist with challenges for every level and over 30 unlockables!
Why similar: Building 17.9%, Sandbox 17.3%, Physics 16.4%, Simulation 11.6%, Crafting 10.9%
- #26 ABRISS - build to destroy
80% matchVery Positive83% of 545 reviews2023
Dev: RandwerkPub: astragon Entertainment
Windows
Median: 48 minMean: 9.1 hrs≥1hr: 43%
ABRISS is an atmospheric physics-destruction building game.Build structures from parts to let them crash into your targets. Unlock new parts, destroy more, witness entropy at its worst in digital-brutalist cityscapes. Build to destroy.
Why similar: LEGO 34.9% ★, Sandbox 11.3%, Building 11%, Physics 10.2%, Logic 9.9%
- #27 Blow it up
79% matchPositive100% of 47 reviews2025
Dev: Brain Seal Ltd
Windows
Blow it up is a physics destruction game. Unlock new bombs, explore the world and go on an epic journey of destruction.
Why similar: LEGO 40.7% ★, Destruction 13%, Physics 12.5%, Level Editor 12%, Simulation 5.8%
- #28 Brick Rigs
78% matchVery Positive95% of 56,117 reviews2023
Dev: Fluppisoft GmbH
Windows · Linux
Median: 10.2 hrsMean: 77.6 hrs≥1hr: 88%
Build your own vehicles or download one of the more than 200,000 creations already uploaded to the Workshop and experience the dynamic driving and destruction physics of Brick Rigs!
Why similar: LEGO 43.6% ★, Sandbox 15.7%, Building 13.4%, Destruction 11.5%, Physics 10.5%
- #29 Poly Bridge 2
79% matchOverwhelmingly Positive95% of 8,114 reviews2020
Dev: Dry Cactus
Windows · Mac · Linux
Median: 2.1 hrsMean: 14.6 hrs≥1hr: 67%
The acclaimed bridge-building indie-hit is back! More levels, more features, more physics fun!
Why similar: Building 21%, Physics 14.9%, Sandbox 14.2%, Crafting 12.1%, Level Editor 11.3%
- #30 Boing Odyssey
78% matchPositive100% of 16 reviews2024
Dev: Tuonele
Windows · Mac · Linux
Build contraptions with various tools to end all roasted chickens rightly in this physics puzzle game, or create and share your own challenges!
Why similar: Building 16.3%, Sandbox 16.2%, Level Editor 16%, Physics 15.3%, Education 12.4%
- #31 Wuli Sandbox
77% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Happy百万
Windows
In this physics-based particle sandbox, everything is in flux: water, steam, ice, magma, acid... Blast it. Wreck it. Build it!
Why similar: Science 24.4% ★, Sandbox 19.7%, Physics 15.2%, Simulation 13%, Moddable 9.6% ★
- #32 Alchemy Laboratory: Simulator
77% match5 user reviews100% of 5 reviews2025
Dev: Afk Pixel Studio
Windows
Dive into a world of creation and discovery, where each element combines to form new ones. Experiment freely in this interactive sandbox. But be careful: every combination has its consequences..
Why similar: Science 23.7% ★, Sandbox 18.4%, Physics 14.1%, Education 13.1%, Destruction 11.9%
- #33 LEGO® Bricktales
76% matchVery Positive84% of 1,942 reviews2022
Dev: ClockStonePub: Thunderful Publishing
Windows · Mac · Linux
Median: 2.0 hrsMean: 5.0 hrs≥1hr: 69%
In this puzzle-adventure, use an intuitive brick-by-brick building mechanic to solve puzzles and bring your creations to life! Experience a charming story as you explore beautiful LEGO® dioramas and help the people inhabiting them.
Why similar: LEGO 42.6% ★, Cozy 10.6%, Building 10.6%, Sandbox 10%, Physics 8.9%
- #34 Poly Bridge
76% matchVery Positive91% of 18,451 reviews2016
Dev: Dry Cactus
Windows · Mac · Linux
Median: 3.3 hrsMean: 11.0 hrs≥1hr: 76%
Unleash your engineering creativity with an engaging and fresh bridge-building simulator with all the bells and whistles. Enjoy hours of physics-based puzzle solving in the Campaign and then jump in the Sandbox to create your own bridge designs and puzzles!
Why similar: Building 23.8%, Physics 16.8%, Sandbox 11.7%, Simulation 10.8%, Level Editor 10.1%
- #35 Falling Stars... and other celestial objects
74% matchPositive100% of 10 reviews2026
Dev: From The Moon
Windows
Design the perfect automated defense system for the city in this physics-based game. Destroy the falling celestial objects with turrets, fire, lightning, portals, and more! Each level will challenge your ingenuity and creativity.
Why similar: Building 14.7%, Sandbox 14.2%, Moddable 12.3% ★, Level Editor 12.2%, Physics 11.7%
- #36 LEGO® Worlds
75% matchMostly Positive78% of 15,565 reviews2017
Dev: TT GamesPub: Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment
Windows
Median: 2.6 hrsMean: 13.5 hrs≥1hr: 71%
Experience a galaxy of Worlds made entirely from LEGO bricks. EXPLORE gigantic landscapes, DISCOVER countless surprises, and CREATE anything you can imagine by building with LEGO bricks.
Why similar: LEGO 65.4% ★, Sandbox 13.8%, Building 13.5%, Destruction 4.3%, Simulation 2.3%
- #37 Poly Bridge 3
73% matchOverwhelmingly Positive96% of 1,977 reviews2023
Dev: Dry Cactus
Windows · Mac · Linux
Median: 2.5 hrsMean: 6.5 hrs≥1hr: 71%
The best just got better! Rediscover your engineering creativity in this genre-defining bridge engineering and puzzle solving masterpiece.
Why similar: Building 18.8%, Simulation 18.1%, Physics 14.6%, Level Editor 13.2%, Moddable 9.7% ★
- #38 Block Factory
73% matchMostly Positive78% of 255 reviews2025
Dev: OverPowered TeamPub: Shiro Unlimited
Windows
Block Factory is a relaxing and creative building game where you craft delightful 3D figurines from blocks. Shape your designs and build flowing production lines in a peaceful factory world.
Why similar: LEGO 29.5% ★, Building 13.5%, Sandbox 13.4%, Crafting 10.7%, Logic 9.6%
- #39 Factory Coin Mining
75% matchMixed53% of 32 reviews2019
Dev: Thetis Games
Windows · Mac
Factory Coin Mining combines a strategy game with the complexity of an advanced puzzle. BASE BUILDING as you never seen before, from simple nature elements, build factories, melting machines, conveyor belts, logistical equipment, stations and much more to mine a virtual coin inside the game.
Why similar: LEGO 34.4% ★, Building 14.2%, Sandbox 11.7%, Moddable 9.3% ★, Simulation 8.8%
- #40 Nimbatus - Drone Creator
73% matchVery Positive90% of 270 reviews2020
Dev: Stray Fawn Studio
Windows · Mac · Linux
Median: 42 minMean: 5.3 hrs≥1hr: 40%
Use the Nimbatus Drone Creator to construct physically simulated drones and try them out in a virtual testing environment. Do you have what it takes to become a drone engineer?
Why similar: Simulation 18.6%, Science 16.7% ★, Sandbox 13.5%, Crafting 10.7%, Physics 10.4%
- #41 Limits of intelligence
71% matchPositive87% of 23 reviews2024
Dev: MATTGRV
Windows
Create your own machine. Engineer it!
Why similar: Sandbox 25.9%, Crafting 18.8%, Simulation 17.9%, Physics 16.9%, Building 14.2%
- #42 Floatineer
71% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Zhuo ChengPub: Rocky Cheng
Windows
The game is set in a world where lands have vanished beneath the waves. Players experience life as floating engineers, using modular architectural blocks to rebuild shelters that can withstand various disasters and fulfill villagers' aesthetic requirements within a given time limit.
Why similar: LEGO 44.3% ★, Physics 11.4%, Building 10.1%, Education 7.6%, Simulation 7.1%
- #43 Project Chemistry
72% matchMostly Positive76% of 212 reviews2021
Dev: Ata TürkoğluPub: Espale Studios
Windows
Median: 3.6 hrsMean: 26.4 hrs≥1hr: 88%
Interact with elements and molecules in a way that you have never before! Observe them and make them react with each other in the sandbox mode. Synthesize every molecule in the quest mode. Discover countless macromolecules and the elegancy of chemistry.
Why similar: Science 25.9% ★, Education 15.7%, Crafting 12.7%, Sandbox 12.4%, Logic 11.7%
- #44 Blockland
72% matchMostly Positive73% of 5,537 reviews2013
Dev: Eric HartmanPub: Step 1 Games LLC
Windows
Median: 1.7 hrsMean: 21.7 hrs≥1hr: 63%
Blockland is a non-linear sandbox game with no set goals, giving players the freedom to design and construct elaborate structures. Styled as a tiny minifigure, players build inside of the virtual world using bricks reminiscent of toy blocks.
Why similar: LEGO 45.8% ★, Sandbox 24%, Building 17.6%, Moddable 11.9% ★, Singleplayer 0.6%
- #45 Sand:box
70% matchVery Positive94% of 1,486 reviews2023
Dev: smellymoo
Windows · Mac · Linux
Median: 54 minMean: 7.4 hrs≥1hr: 49%
"Falling sand" style particle sandbox, now with circuits and stickmen!
Why similar: Sandbox 16.1%, Science 12.4% ★, Physics 11.9%, Education 10.8%, Destruction 9.7%
- #46 Firework Simulator
71% match2 user reviews50% of 2 reviews2023
Dev: echomune
Windows
Play with a variety of fireworks and even make custom ones yourself using different containers, powders and colors.
Why similar: Sandbox 30.7%, Simulation 15.8%, Crafting 15.4%, Physics 15%, Destruction 10%
- #47 Wobble Wobble
70% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Team Baeb Sae
Windows
Wobble Wobble is a physics simulation game set in a world of sparrows threatened by bomb terrorism. Become a rookie bomb disposal agent and push, pull, and throw blocks with your mouse to defuse bombs left across the world.
Why similar: LEGO 33% ★, Physics 19.2%, Destruction 15.3%, Building 13.9%, Simulation 11.2%
- #48 RoboCo
67% matchVery Positive88% of 204 reviews2026
Dev: Filament Games
Windows
RoboCo is a sandbox game about designing and building robots to serve the needs of squishy, hapless humans in the world of tomorrow!
Why similar: Building 19.9%, Sandbox 19.9%, Physics 16.5%, Education 16.4%, Robots 11.1%
- #49 Crafty Racer
68% match9 user reviews90% of 9 reviews2025
Dev: Peterclark
Windows · Mac
Create, race, and battle anything! Craft your own vehicles, weapons, and smashing contraptions, then race and fight in your own tracks and arenas!
Why similar: LEGO 34.7% ★, Level Editor 11.3%, Sandbox 11.1%, Crafting 10.9%, Building 10.3%
- #50 Hands On Builder
69% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Good Movement Studios
Windows
Hands On Builder is a cozy first-person building simulation where you gather materials, prepare them yourself, and construct your home piece by piece. Cut logs into panels and studs, plan your worksite, and build at your own pace in a relaxed sandbox world.
Why similar: Building 21.1%, Crafting 16.1%, Sandbox 16.1%, Physics 15.9%, Simulation 13.9%
- #51 Kerbal Space Program
69% matchOverwhelmingly Positive95% of 133,317 reviews2015
Dev: SquadPub: Private Division
Windows · Mac · Linux
Median: 5.3 hrsMean: 65.2 hrs≥1hr: 84%
In Kerbal Space Program, take charge of the space program for the alien race known as the Kerbals. You have access to an array of parts to assemble fully-functional spacecraft that flies (or doesn’t) based on realistic aerodynamic and orbital physics.
Why similar: Science 23% ★, Sandbox 18.3%, Physics 14.5%, Building 11.8%, Simulation 11.5%
- #52 Colorgrid
69% matchVery Positive92% of 154 reviews2019
Dev: Minimol Games
Windows · Mac
Colorgrid is a puzzle game about mixing colors in a Lab. Find the correct positions for your lasers and mirrors to get the right mix of colors in each material.
Why similar: Science 19.6% ★, Physics 14.8%, Building 12.2%, Education 11.7%, Logic 10.7%
- #53 Eggineer
68% match5 user reviews80% of 5 reviews2021
Dev: AquaStudios
Windows
Eggineer is a physics based vehicle sandbox game. The goal is simple, build fully destructible vehicles to help your fragile egg companion finish challenging levels in the campaign mode, or design the most complex sets of vehicles in the sandbox and make everything crash or explode!
Why similar: Building 23.8%, Sandbox 21.5%, Physics 17.4%, Destruction 14.9%, Simulation 10%
- #54 LogiCircuit
67% match1 user reviews100% of 1 reviews2023
Dev: Apocalyptic Inc
Windows
Build, Connect, Simulate! LogiCircuit is the next generation of circuit building! Use logic gates and integrated circuits to simulate real life computers, games, programs, and more!
Why similar: Sandbox 16.6%, Moddable 16.4% ★, Education 14.1%, Logic 14%, Simulation 11.3%
- #55 Domino Chillbox
66% matchNo user reviews
Dev: SOLOFORGE WORKS
Windows
Welcome to my first game! Enjoy total freedom in this sandbox domino builder. Play with physics, test out unique special dominoes to spice things up, or use the image-to-domino generator for instant fun. Build, experiment, and have fun knocking them down!
Why similar: Sandbox 26.6%, Simulation 25.3%, Building 19.8%, Physics 12.8%, Relaxing 9.1%
- #56 ChaosTower
68% matchPositive85% of 20 reviews2016
Dev: CashcowGames
Windows
Chaostower - Build and defend, a physics-based action puzzler. Build a tower from a whole bunch of different parts and prove it against several natural forces like earthquakes, wind and meteors. Defend your tower against artificial enemies, like robots, tanks, bomb-birds and many more.
Why similar: LEGO 30.2% ★, Building 15.4%, Physics 13.1%, Destruction 11.9%, Education 8.1%
- #57 Locomancer
67% matchVery Positive85% of 110 reviews2017
Dev: Eric Lipschutz
Windows · Linux
The genre defining VR model train game. Build and ride the model train layout of your dreams without the cost and excessive model foam dust getting in your nose!
Why similar: LEGO 37.3% ★, Sandbox 14.6%, Building 13.5%, Physics 11.2%, Moddable 10.5% ★
- #58 Marble Odyssey: Sandbox
63% matchPositive92% of 13 reviews2025
Dev: Mustafa ÖzgenPub: RigidPoly Fab
Windows
On a wooden table drifting through space, build little contraptions just to see what happens. Release the marbles and enjoy the calm rhythm of their flow. A warm, curious, and delightful sandbox experience.
Why similar: Sandbox 16.9%, Building 15.4%, Physics 12.9%, Level Editor 10.3%, Simulation 9.1%