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Games Like Dark Odyssey

60+ similar titles based on shared tags and player behavior. Themes include RPG, MMORPG, Incremental, Free to Play.

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Dark Odyssey, an epic online rpg game that features idle playing, dungeon challenges, boss fights, character enhancing and customizations. Get ready to embark on a dark and thrilling journey, increase your power, team up with other players and save the world!

Reviews: Mostly Negative — 40% — of 43 reviews
Released: 2023-09-25
Developer: Game Hollywood Games
Genres: Adventure, Casual, Massively Multiplayer, RPG
Platforms: Windows

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    97% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: Demona Vosz
    Windows

    Vanya Online is a dark free-to-play idle MMORPG with endless progression, PvP and Non-PvP worlds, player economy, events, and no level cap, no skill cap, and no account resets.

    Why similar: MMORPG 26.4%, Massively Multiplayer 21.8%, Idler 17.3%, Incremental 16.8%, RPG 7.1%

  2. #2 World of Rune
    96% matchMostly Negative34% of 40 reviews2023
    Dev: Game Hollywood GamesPub: Game Hollywood Games
    Windows

    World of Rune is an MMORPG game with tons of different characters and mystical cute pets. You can play as a Swordsman, Mage, Archer and Cleric.

    Why similar: Incremental 22.7%, MMORPG 22.6%, Massively Multiplayer 20%, Idler 19.1%, RPG 8.4%

  3. #3 Lost Age
    96% matchMostly Negative39% of 27 reviews2025
    Dev: Game Hollywood Games
    Windows

    In the mystical world of Lost Age, darkness looms, and heroes rise to reclaim the light. Embark on a captivating adventure where card-based strategy meets the excitement of RPG. Collect and customize powerful heroes, explore magical realms, and tackle thrilling challenges—all at your own pace.

    Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 25.1%, Incremental 24.2%, Idler 20.4%, MMORPG 17.6%, RPG 8.7%

  4. #4 Idle Clans
    95% matchMostly Positive74% of 1,614 reviews2023
    Dev: Isam Games
    Windows · Mac
    Median: 8.4 hrsMean: 262.7 hrs≥1hr: 71%

    Idle Clans is a multiplayer idle game that combines the classic MMORPG experience with simplified gameplay and less time commitment. Features include a player-driven economy, PvE, trading, quests, crafting and opportunities to play, socialize and collaborate with other players.

    Why similar: MMORPG 23.6%, Massively Multiplayer 22.1%, Idler 21.7%, Incremental 18.8%, RPG 5.7%

  5. #5 Immortals Revenge
    94% matchMixed48% of 54 reviews2024
    Dev: Game Hollywood Games
    Windows

    Step into the immersive MMORPG world of Immortals Revenge, blending adventure, role-playing, and hack-and-slash gameplay. With rich storytelling and expansive landscapes to explore, master divine abilities to restore balance to Olympus.

    Why similar: MMORPG 28.2%, Massively Multiplayer 27.5%, Incremental 24.1%, RPG 8%, Loot 6.4%

  6. #6 Idlemoor
    94% matchMostly Negative29% of 33 reviews2026
    Dev: Uncooked Games
    Windows

    Idlemoor is a dark fantasy idle MMORPG set in a persistent online realm. Trade on the marketplace, fight in battlegrounds, defend the town in community events, and chat with fellow Wanderers! Infinite build possibilities, where each item is completely unique. Will your build be the best?

    Why similar: MMORPG 28.1%, Idler 24.1%, Massively Multiplayer 21.6%, Dark Fantasy 10.2%, RPG 9.1%

  7. #7 Phoenix Contract
    93% matchMostly Negative38% of 13 reviews2024
    Dev: R2 Games
    Windows

    Phoenix Contract is an exhilarating MMORPG that immerses you in a world teeming with adventure, mystery, and relentless battles. Your destiny awaits in Phoenix Contract—a realm where heroes rise, legends are born, and the adventure never ends.

    Why similar: MMORPG 29%, Incremental 28.1%, Massively Multiplayer 25.2%, RPG 9.8%, Hack and Slash 3.6%

  8. #8 Meadowlands Online
    92% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: senuk_dev
    Windows

    A Pixel-Art MMO focused on Life-Skilling inspired by Old School Runescape and Stardew Valley.

    Why similar: MMORPG 31.2%, Massively Multiplayer 21.6%, Idler 21.6%, Incremental 20.7%, Casual 4.8%

  9. #9 Idle Saga
    91% matchMostly Negative34% of 28 reviews2024
    Dev: Game Hollywood Games
    Windows

    Welcome to the world of Idle Saga, a magnificent world of swords and magic! Enjoy diverse gameplay, splendid equipment, and transformations into gods and demons that allow you to dominate all realms. With cool elves and powerful mercenaries by your side to battle ferocious bosses!

    Why similar: MMORPG 30.7%, Massively Multiplayer 27.9%, Incremental 25.9%, RPG 6.4%, Hack and Slash 5.4%

  10. #10 Scapewatch: Idle MMO
    91% matchNo user reviews2026
    Dev: Puzzle Drop Studios
    Windows · Linux

    28 skills. Three combat styles. Clans, raids, hiscores, pets, capes. Set up your queue, close the tab, come back richer. Scapewatch is the idle MMO for people who actually like the grind.

    Why similar: MMORPG 22.9%, Idler 22.1%, Incremental 21.5%, Massively Multiplayer 18.4%, RPG 6.1%

  11. #11 IdleOn
    89% matchMostly Positive78% of 29,234 reviews2025
    Dev: Lavaflame2
    Windows
    Median: 2.4 hrsMean: 222.9 hrs≥1hr: 64%

    The incremental idle MMO where your heroes keep fighting while you're gone! Spend their loot on upgrades, unlock classes from Elemental-Wizard to Cannon-Pirate, and level 20 unique skills like Farming, Sailing, and Construction!

    Why similar: Idler 28.1%, MMORPG 26.3%, Incremental 23.4%, Massively Multiplayer 12.5%, RPG 5%

  12. #12 Vampire Master
    90% matchMostly Negative38% of 21 reviews2025
    Dev: Game Hollywood Games
    Windows

    Vampire Masters an immersive, strategy-driven RPG that invites players to step into the dark, thrilling world of vampire supremacy. As a Vampire Master, you will command an army of undead, conquer powerful realms, and build an empire under the cover of night.

    Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 22.4%, Idler 22.3%, Incremental 21.5%, MMORPG 20.4%, RPG 9.4%

  13. #13 天道模拟器之放置修仙
    89% matchPositive89% of 44 reviews2026
    Dev: 天道模拟器
    Windows

    🎮 一款以修真世界为故事背景,挂机刷BOSS、逆天改命的Idle RPG。闯关升级、打BOSS爆神装、结婚生子、组队讨伐、PVP竞技……内容多到玩不过来,却只需挂机操作!

    Why similar: MMORPG 24.9%, Incremental 20.2%, Idler 19.7%, Massively Multiplayer 15%, Loot 10.7%

  14. #14 Crazy Oddballs: Idle RPG
    87% matchMostly Positive78% of 372 reviews2026
    Dev: Crazy Oddballs
    Windows

    Build your oddball team, grind endless loot, and optimize ridiculous gear combinations in a chaotic idle RPG with guild battles, PvP, and long-term progression.

    Why similar: MMORPG 24.9%, Idler 20.1%, Massively Multiplayer 15.7%, Dark Fantasy 12.4%, Loot 9.4%

  15. #15 Runes of Legend
    88% matchMostly Negative35% of 19 reviews2024
    Dev: R2 Games
    Windows

    Runes of Legend is an immersive pixel adventure game set in a captivating fantasy world filled with mystery and magic. You can step into the role of a courageous adventurer tasked with exploring a once-peaceful land now threatened by the resurgence of dark forces.

    Why similar: MMORPG 31.5%, Massively Multiplayer 27.3%, Incremental 26.5%, RPG 8.1%, Fantasy 3%

  16. #16 Idle Dangers
    86% matchMixed44% of 18 reviews2025
    Dev: R2 Games
    Windows

    In a world where dark forces threaten to consume all, a magical continent is under siege by monstrous invaders. As a hero in this dark fantasy realm, you must rise to the challenge. Strengthen your skills, and lead your team through endless battles to protect the world from destruction.

    Why similar: Incremental 34.8%, Idler 29.2%, Dark Fantasy 14.7%, RPG 12%, Dark 4.4%

  17. #17 Titan Revenge
    86% matchMixed63% of 118 reviews2023
    Dev: Game Hollywood Games
    Windows

    Set in the vast expanse of Norse mythology, this MMORPG thrusts you into a world on the brink of apocalypse. As an intrepid hero, you must navigate the realms of the Aesir and Vanir, battling fearsome giants, mythical beasts, and treacherous gods.

    Why similar: MMORPG 37.2%, Incremental 26.8%, Massively Multiplayer 17.8%, Hack and Slash 6.8%, RPG 6.1%

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    85% matchMostly Positive77% of 423 reviews2024
    Dev: OmniaDev Inc.
    Windows · Mac · Linux

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  19. #19 Firestone – Idle Clicker Online RPG
    84% matchMostly Positive77% of 6,845 reviews2024
    Dev: Holyday Studios
    Windows · Mac · Linux
    Median: 4.3 hrsMean: 532.0 hrs≥1hr: 70%

    Chill out, your heroes got this! They’ll fight even when you’re offline. Pop back in for satisfying numbers going up, sweet rewards and easy level-ups. Unlock cool gear, & smack down epic bosses. Play idle or clicker - you’ll power up with no stress, just good times and infinite progression!

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    84% matchMixed45% of 131 reviews2023
    Dev: Game Hollywood Games
    Windows

    Angels Pact: Reversal World — The league has fractured. Unite angels, reclaim the pact in an epic idle MMORPG.

    Why similar: MMORPG 22.6%, Idler 20.7%, Incremental 20.4%, Dark Fantasy 10.3%, Loot 8.4%

  21. #21 Earth Online
    83% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: Galaxy Craft
    Windows

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    81% matchMostly Positive79% of 191 reviews2026
    Dev: 凡人修仙
    Windows

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    Why similar: MMORPG 26.6%, Idler 22.3%, Incremental 19.2%, Massively Multiplayer 14.1%, Loot 10.7%

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    82% matchNo user reviews2026
    Dev: Mark Horvath
    Windows

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    Why similar: MMORPG 32.5%, Idler 30%, Massively Multiplayer 12.8%, RPG 10.9%, Loot 7.9%

  24. #24 Idle Hacking: An Inaction RPG
    80% matchVery Positive82% of 206 reviews2026
    Dev: GigaForge Games
    Windows · Mac · Linux

    A persistent idle MMORPG, with a text-based hacking theme. Enjoy the "Inaction RPG" design philosophy by crafting equpiment using ARPG influenced prefix/suffix systems, build or join player managed syndicates, trade on the marketplace, and compete in community events.

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  25. #25 Apoclone
    81% matchMixed42% of 12 reviews2025
    Dev: R2 Games
    Windows

    Apoclone is a post-apocalyptic idle strategy RPG where you command a squad of clone warriors and unleash powerful mechs in turn-based combat. Strategize your formation, conquer enemies in PvE and PvP, and thrive in a ruined world—even while offline.

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    79% matchNo user reviews2026
    Dev: MCLAMA
    Windows · Mac · Linux

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  27. #27 Pixel Puppy Adventure
    79% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: NION
    Windows

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    78% matchMixed44% of 27 reviews2024
    Dev: GawaakPub: Gawwak
    Windows

    An incremental multiplayer, PvP idle game

    Why similar: MMORPG 33.8%, Massively Multiplayer 24.7%, Idler 24%, RPG 13%, Fantasy 3%

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    77% matchOverwhelmingly Positive96% of 12,831 reviews2019
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    Windows
    Median: 18.8 hrsMean: 636.0 hrs≥1hr: 82%

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    75% matchPositive80% of 46 reviews2026
    Dev: 焚天烈火之元素领主
    Windows

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    76% matchNo user reviews2026
    Dev: Burg EntertainmentPub: Spaghetti Cat
    Windows

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    77% matchMixed70% of 370 reviews2020
    Dev: ZeroWorldwide
    Windows

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    Windows · Mac · Linux
    Median: 1.0 hrsMean: 36.0 hrs≥1hr: 49%

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    74% matchMixed51% of 69 reviews2024
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    Windows

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    73% matchNo user reviews
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    Windows

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    72% matchMixed42% of 26 reviews2026
    Dev: Otto Development
    Windows · Mac

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    73% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: N
    Windows

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    72% matchMixed66% of 577 reviews2024
    Dev: Flag Clicker InteractivePub: Flag Clicker interactive
    Windows

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    71% matchNo user reviews2026
    Dev: Aikasy GmbH
    Windows · Mac · Linux

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    70% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: Fantastico Studio
    Windows

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    Why similar: Idler 44.1%, Incremental 42.1%, Casual 13.8%

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    69% matchNo user reviews2026
    Dev: 龙王传奇
    Windows

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    70% matchMixed64% of 519 reviews2019
    Dev: YDKR
    Windows

    Draw pictures, sell them and become a famous artist.

    Why similar: Incremental 59.9%, Idler 40.1%

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    70% matchMostly Positive80% of 381 reviews2018
    Dev: Upturn Games
    Windows · Mac · Linux

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    Why similar: Idler 57.9%, Incremental 30.2%, Casual 11.8%

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    68% matchVery Positive88% of 1,243 reviews2022
    Dev: Shard
    Windows

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    68% matchMixed49% of 57 reviews2025
    Dev: Pinecone Studios
    Windows

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    67% matchMostly Positive73% of 363 reviews2026
    Dev: 至尊战神
    Windows

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    69% matchVery Positive90% of 813 reviews2019
    Dev: Oni Gaming
    Windows
    Median: 4.3 hrsMean: 500.7 hrs≥1hr: 70%

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    68% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: Goodguy140
    Windows · Mac · Linux

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    Why similar: Incremental 49%, Idler 40.5%, Casual 10.5%

  49. #49 Slot Grind
    67% matchNo user reviews2026
    Dev: OneMoreSystem
    Windows · Mac

    Slot Grind is an incremental slot machine game where you spin, earn money, and put it back into upgrades. Unlock new machines with better payouts, improve them, and automate your slots as your profits grow, until you finally pay off your debts.

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    67% match4 user reviews50% of 4 reviews2023
    Dev: Takumi Abe
    Windows

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    Why similar: Incremental 49.1%, Idler 40.3%, Casual 10.6%

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    67% matchNo user reviews2026
    Dev: Kongnamu Games
    Windows

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    66% matchMixed55% of 11 reviews2024
    Dev: aiiaiiiyo
    Windows

    An idle clicker game where you have 5 seconds per level before the enemy's HP returns to full. Defeat enemies, earn gold, buy items, ascend, become stronger, and unlock new levels.

    Why similar: Incremental 49.1%, Idler 40.3%, Casual 10.6%

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