- #1 Fawn The Florist
97% matchPositive93% of 43 reviews2025
Dev: CozyBit Games
Windows · Mac
Fawn the Florist is a cozy idle game that sits at the bottom of your screen, acting as a peaceful, garden companion for you as you work, study, or relax.
Why similar: Idler 19.6%, Cozy 16.8%, Automation 16.5%, Simulation 7.8%, Building 7.6%
- #2 Flower Tower
96% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Pmdk23
Windows
A short, relaxing incremental game about growing flowers, where your garden quietly thrives and blooms on its own.
Why similar: Automation 23.8%, Idler 23.4%, Incremental 12.6%, Cozy 8.5%, Simulation 7.2%
- #3 Suncraft
96% matchVery Positive93% of 522 reviews2026
Dev: Spicy Tuna Games
Windows · Mac · Linux
Another sun-filled day begins in this cozy pixel-art adventure. Gather, craft, upgrade, and help the villagers revive the land. Can you rebuild the grand Sunspire and bring the village back to its golden days?
Why similar: Cozy 15.5%, Incremental 13.7%, Automation 13.3%, Building 11.6%, Idler 10.9%
- #4 Marketfield Idle
95% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Pollikk Studios
Windows · Mac · Linux
Marketfield Idle is all about growing crops, selling goods, cooking recipes, automating production, and prestige into stronger runs in a cozy incremental farming game with 1200+ upgrades, strategy paths, and lots of synergies to discover.
Why similar: Automation 20.4%, Idler 20.4%, Incremental 17.2%, Resource Management 10%, Sandbox 9.3%
- #5 Apiary in Flow
94% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: AkinoEgo
Windows
Apiary in Flow is an incremental game with automation elements where you place bees inside a hive to build efficient honey-gathering chains. Unlock new bee types and spend your harvest on permanent skill tree upgrades!
Why similar: Automation 25.4%, Idler 23.1%, Incremental 18.7%, Building 8.7%, Resource Management 7.5%
- #6 Hexamental: Hexagonal Incremental
94% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Scimitar Brothers
Windows
An incremental game about symmetry. Build marble runs, unlock hexes, and create functional mandalas. Nothing is final - reshape patterns, guide flow, and watch beauty emerge as numbers grow.
Why similar: Idler 18.5%, Automation 15.9%, Incremental 14.6%, Cozy 12.6%, Building 12.3%
- #7 Grandma's Golden Boy: Sheep Shear Madness
93% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Ailuros Peak
Windows
Defend your title as Grandma’s Golden Boy! No one leaves without a bare bum. Shear the wildest sheep, host legendary tea parties for the grannies, craft epic gear, and build your very own Wool Empire!
Why similar: Idler 26.2%, Automation 24.3%, Incremental 17.1%, Cozy 11%, Resource Management 9.5%
- #8 KlikBee
92% match1 user reviews100% of 1 reviews2026
Dev: BynxitBitPub: Shakahl Kft.
Windows · Mac · Linux
Build an automated bee empire with deep progression, layered prestige systems, research, mutations, dimensional exploration, and time manipulation. Start with a single flower and grow your hive into a universe-spanning production machine.
Why similar: Idler 24.3%, Automation 23.2%, Incremental 16.2%, Sandbox 8.6%, Building 7.7%
- #9 LetDeco Desktop
91% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Greekuda
Windows
A cute idle-crafting game nestled in the corner of your screen. Visit various regions to gather diverse materials and decorate your home with furniture you've crafted yourself!
Why similar: Idler 25.3%, Cozy 18.8%, Incremental 11.3%, Simulation 10%, Automation 8.4%
- #10 Spray to Grail
91% matchNo user reviews
Dev: EllipseHead
Windows
Spray-paint sneakers layer by layer, finish fast orders, and turn a scrappy bootleg studio into a rare-drop machine. Unlock wild grails, upgrade your gear, fill your collection wall, and chase the perfect pair in this juicy incremental game.
Why similar: Idler 25.4%, Automation 23.8%, Incremental 16.7%, Cozy 14%, Simulation 7.1%
- #11 Monotony Idle
89% matchPositive89% of 18 reviews2026
Dev: Afterwork Studios LLC
Windows
Monotony Idle is a cozy idle RPG for your desktop. You train skills, you level them up, you get stronger. That's the game. Simple to start, but there's more to it the longer you stick with it.
Why similar: Idler 27.2%, Cozy 20.1%, Incremental 17.9%, Automation 13.4%, Cute 7.4%
- #12 Sandwich +1
90% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Apelsinka Games
Windows · Mac
Short, satisfying, and it actually ends — an idle clicker that respects your time. No timers, no F2P, no endless grind, just numbers going up. Stack wobbling sandwich towers, serve thirsty little drinks, hire flying cursor-helpers, and the kitchen runs itself.
Why similar: Cozy 18.5%, Idler 16.8%, Automation 15.9%, Incremental 13%, Building 7.4%
- #13 Flowers to Honey
88% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: ThinKING Cat Games
Windows
A cozy incremental where you choose how your bees evolve, plant flowers, guide your hive, and grow a thriving honey empire.
Why similar: Idler 21.7%, Cozy 17.8%, Incremental 15.3%, Automation 11%, Resource Management 9.1%
- #14 Relaxing Fields
89% matchPositive85% of 26 reviews2025
Dev: LosenArc
Windows
A short, simple and relaxing idle game where you grow crops, build homes for farmers, and earn money to decorate.
Why similar: Idler 18.1%, Automation 15%, Building 12.7%, Incremental 12.3%, Cozy 11.9%
- #15 Clickerite
87% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Bugguri
Windows
Clickerite is an incremental mining game where you must collect materials, craft powerful tools, and battle evil monsters in a cube-dimensional world!
Why similar: Automation 22.1%, Idler 20%, Incremental 16%, Building 13.4%, Cozy 12.7%
- #16 DesktopVivarium
86% matchNo user reviews
Dev: If Game
Windows
Your computer desktop will no longer be just a static background, but a living, breathing ecosphere. You’ll watch plants and animals thrive as fish swim freely across your screen. In your downtime, you can feed the creatures, clean up their waste.
Why similar: Idler 31%, Automation 16.9%, Sandbox 16%, Building 15.2%, Simulation 12.7%
- #17 Dodo Factory
86% matchNo user reviews
Dev: BlueberryGeckoPub: Old Cake Factory
Windows · Mac · Linux
An incremental game where you construct a giant meat factory to raise dodos and mass murder them (ethically). Grow your factory from a small dodo grinder to a huge processing facility as you collect meat to upgrade buildings and unlock new crazy dodo types.
Why similar: Idler 18.8%, Automation 18.2%, Incremental 13.2%, Sandbox 12.1%, Cozy 11.6%
- #18 Into the Planet's Flesh
85% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Chugget
Windows
Hatch parasites and infest the earth in this incremental game. Create a gruesome spectacle as your colony spreads like a disease through the planet. Discover what happens when your parasites VENTURE TOO DEEP.
Why similar: Idler 22.1%, Automation 18.8%, Incremental 17.8%, Building 15.3%, Resource Management 8.9%
- #19 ManiWheel
84% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: DadaWada
Windows
A mani wheel is a Tibetan Buddhist prayer wheel said to grant the same virtue as reciting scripture when spun. Arrange letters, spin the wheel, accumulate Virtue and Mercy, and reincarnate again and again. Discover powerful interactions and find your own path to enlightenment.
Why similar: Automation 21.8%, Idler 20.3%, Faith 19.9% ★, Incremental 17.1%, Cozy 7.8%
- #20 Cozy Desktop Konbini
84% matchMixed67% of 27 reviews2025
Dev: Evrac Studio
Windows · Mac
Run your own Konbini in this Cozy and Relaxing Idle Game that stays at the bottom of your screen, accompanied by soothing lofi musics. Sort your selling products on the shelves. Decorate your Konbini, unlock new products and decorations—all while you work or relax.
Why similar: Idler 20.1%, Cozy 16.5%, Building 14%, Incremental 11.5%, Sandbox 7%
- #21 Coin Hoarder
83% match8 user reviews63% of 8 reviews2025
Dev: JLY Games
Windows
Click, collect, and ascend! Coin Hoarder is an addictive idle/incremental game in the spirit of Cookie Clicker and other greats, with endless upgrades, ascensions, and achievements.
Why similar: Idler 24.4%, Automation 21.6%, Incremental 20.8%, Simulation 9.9%, Resource Management 7.6%
- #22 Open Land
82% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Ralph Schaedler
Windows · Mac
Transform barren land into a thriving ecosystem in this relaxing building game. Recycle trash, grow plants, and reintroduce wildlife to create a self-sustaining world.
Why similar: Cozy 20.1%, Idler 15.8%, Building 14.7%, Sandbox 13.8%, Automation 9.4%
- #23 Constellation Clicker
81% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Ákos HornungPub: Harmony Lab
Windows
Build an interstellar economy one click at a time. Claim resource-rich stars, connect profitable routes, construct specialized industries, mine materials and sell them on the galactic market, and unlock technologies that transform a dark nebula into a vast production network.
Why similar: Idler 20.5%, Cozy 16.7%, Incremental 16.3%, Automation 15.8%, Building 9.8%
- #24 Aluminium City
80% match3 user reviews100% of 3 reviews2026
Dev: Hadamant
Windows
Incremental clicker/idle and narrative game where you crush empty cans, sell the aluminum, upgrade your equipment, and buy factories and automatic presses to automate the process. Discover what happened to your wife and son as you try to save Aluminum City from an evil villain.
Why similar: Automation 24.9%, Idler 23.1%, Incremental 19.3%, Resource Management 10%, Simulation 6.2%
- #25 Capybara Achievement Clicker
82% matchPositive100% of 18 reviews2025
Dev: JosephPub: WeirdCanyon
Windows
Capybara Achievement Clicker is a simple incremental and idle game. It features over a hundred easy-to-acquire achievements and a Capybara to click on.
Why similar: Automation 22.8%, Idler 22.6%, Incremental 16.3%, Sandbox 15.1%, Cute 5.2%
- #26 Bacteria Buster
81% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Programmer Xiaohui
Windows
Bacteria Buster is a fast-paced petri-dish cleanup game. Swat bacteria, upgrade your tools, deploy six Nano Robots, and develop four automatic Medicines. Clear a 200-stage campaign, face Super Bacteria and Bacteria Kings, then carry your progress into 1,000 stages of Endless Mode.
Why similar: Automation 27%, Idler 26.7%, Incremental 16.5%, Simulation 9.6%, Casual 4.8%
- #27 Chop Chop Grove
79% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Big Bubba Productions
Windows
Welcome to Chop Chop Grove! Chop trees. Hire lumberjacks. Spend your lumber on powerful upgrades. Discover the world across 5 unique islands. A cozy incremental game where tiny workers chop, slash, and shoot their way through forests, while you sit back and watch your pile of lumber grow.
Why similar: Idler 27%, Incremental 21.9%, Resource Management 13.6%, Automation 10%, Relaxing 8.3%
- #28 InfiniDomino
79% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Vasrak Games
Windows
Doom has arrived. But beyond the end… there are still dominoes. Push the dominoes to start a chain reaction, and grow exponentially through offerings and reincarnation. A meditative idle game featuring multi-layered prestige, automation, and strategy-driven challenges.
Why similar: Idler 28%, Automation 25.8%, Incremental 18.2%, Resource Management 10.9%, Simulation 7.4%
- #29 Fellwood
77% matchMixed66% of 83 reviews2026
Dev: Allerton Apps
Windows · Mac
Build a wild fantasy lumber empire that bombards a forest across the valley with axes, ballistas, cannons, and magic. Harvest flying logs, stack absurd upgrades, and automate your way to unstoppable woodcutting power.
Why similar: Idler 20.2%, Automation 17.9%, Incremental 15.9%, Cozy 14%, Building 10%
- #30 The Waking Grove
78% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: SUMER
Windows
A cozy incremental idle about restoring a dead garden, one tile at a time. Spread life across the seasons and let the soil remember everything you grew.
Why similar: Automation 20.9%, Idler 19%, Cozy 16.5%, Incremental 15.1%, Resource Management 6.3%
- #31 IncreTop
78% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Inspiration Beggar
Windows
IncreTop is an incremental game about whipping spinning tops. You are trapped in a series of mysterious worlds filled with nothing but tops. Keep whipping tops, earning money, upgrading, and learning skills as you destroy world after world in search of a way out.
Why similar: Idler 22.7%, Automation 21.5%, Incremental 19.2%, Resource Management 10.9%, Cozy 10.2%
- #32 Fakutori
77% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Antoine LatourPub: Mythwright
Windows
Fakutori is a laid-back automation game with a lot more going on beneath the surface. Combine elements, build sprawling production lines, and chase down the Legendary Blocks that only the most dedicated builders ever find. All at your own pace.
Why similar: Automation 25.7%, Building 15.6%, Sandbox 15.2%, Idler 10.8%, Resource Management 9.9%
- #33 Lazy Train Game
76% matchPositive84% of 31 reviews2026
Dev: Game Warden Games
Windows · Linux
Lazy Train Game is a relaxing game about building out your railway, collecting resources, crafting tracks, overcoming obstacles, and unlocking new tracks, scenarios, and engines. Set up your railway in such a way that your trains can do most of the work for you.
Why similar: Automation 22.5%, Idler 21%, Sandbox 14.4%, Building 14.1%, Cozy 8.4%
- #34 Cookie Builder
76% match6 user reviews100% of 6 reviews2026
Dev: Doppler Creative
Windows
Cookie Builder is a relaxing idler game where you build a cookie tycoon in a world made of cookies. Upgrade your facilities to boost your cookie productions.
Why similar: Idler 22.3%, Sandbox 18.4%, Incremental 18%, Automation 17.7%, Building 10.6%
- #35 Orbita
75% matchPositive96% of 47 reviews2026
Dev: ElJoka
Windows
Discover elements, feed the blackhole, automate with physics, complete missions, get better tools and build megafarms!
Why similar: Automation 25.1%, Idler 20.5%, Incremental 17.5%, Sandbox 14.1%, Resource Management 11.2%
- #36 Milk Can Clicker
74% matchPositive91% of 11 reviews2026
Dev: ShoninyasTube
Windows
Start with a few cows and build a growing dairy business. Produce and process milk, automate your farm, expand into the village and city, complete orders, use Prestige and work your way toward the Milk Festival – with no ads or in-game purchases.
Why similar: Automation 21.1%, Idler 19.1%, Incremental 15.3%, Cozy 14%, Resource Management 9.4%
- #37 The Manaworks
75% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Zero-A Games
Windows
Click, build, upgrade and automate! Click to gain resources, build to increase resource gathering potential, automate to get more and more, faster and faster, both passively and actively. Upgrade buildings, stats, and see the numbers go up!
Why similar: Incremental 21.3%, Idler 20.6%, Automation 16.3%, Resource Management 11.6%, Building 9.8%
- #38 Marble Mill
74% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: StoneForge Labs
Windows · Linux
An idle game where every coin is a real collision. Build a marble mill, watch it grow into a roaring machine — and finish it in one satisfying evening. 100% achievements in ~3 hours, endless sandbox after. An idle game that ends.
Why similar: Idler 30.8%, Cozy 23.9%, Incremental 20.1%, Relaxing 7.7%, Casual 6.3%
- #39 Build To The Moon
73% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: BumpkinBrothers
Windows
A relaxing incremental tower builder—until hundreds of tiny workers turn it into complete chaos.
Why similar: Idler 20.1%, Automation 19.2%, Incremental 16.4%, Sandbox 12.8%, Building 10.9%
- #40 Bottle Flip Inc
73% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Gamechill
Windows
An incremental game about flipping bottles, unlocking and upgrading unique abilities, and turning simple bottle flips into increasingly satisfying moments.
Why similar: Idler 24.9%, Incremental 20.9%, Automation 17.2%, Resource Management 8.4%, Simulation 7.6%
- #41 Coin Cleaner
72% matchNo user reviews
Dev: OriginalOdd Games
Windows
A cozy little incremental about cleaning coins. Sweep the grime off a filthy penny, bank it, and pour your takings into an ever-busier workbench. Climb from copper to silver, gold and stranger metals, chasing the one coin the old man could never clean. Short, warm, with a real ending.
Why similar: Cozy 26.4%, Idler 22.6%, Incremental 18.1%, Relaxing 7.1%, Resource Management 6.9%
- #42 Chroma Miners
72% matchNo user reviews
Dev: TMA Forge
Windows
Guide Chrobits as they mine, refine, and collect over 16 million unique colors while automating their work in this relaxing incremental game.
Why similar: Automation 21.9%, Idler 21.8%, Incremental 17.6%, Building 13.6%, Simulation 5.3%
- #43 Llamero
71% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Team Momoy
Windows
Run around herding magical llamas, gathering mountains of wool, and upgrading your skills to help a struggling wool village. A cozy, story-rich incremental game about a herder and the responsibility he carries.
Why similar: Cozy 22%, Idler 20.8%, Incremental 18.9%, Emotional 10.6%, Simulation 6.8%
- #44 Tiny Biomes: Cozy Idle
69% matchVery Positive86% of 447 reviews2026
Dev: Orca Point Studio
Windows · Mac
Median: 4.9 hrsMean: 7.9 hrs≥1hr: 92%
Tiny Biomes is a relaxing idle game where animals peacefully produce resources and you gather wood in a calm harvesting zone. Build small biomes, earn gold, and enjoy steady progression without pressure, timers, or stress. Play at your own pace and unwind.
Why similar: Idler 26.6%, Incremental 18.3%, Automation 15.5%, Cozy 9.5%, Relaxing 7.9%
- #45 Incremental Ants
70% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Reed MolbakPub: TrueColor Games
Windows
Hatch ants. Explore parks. Steal picnic baskets. Incremental Ants is a game about growing an ant colony. Gather food using a variety of ants, upgrade their skills, unlock new species, and expand into territory where no ant has gone before.
Why similar: Idler 25.3%, Incremental 21.7%, Cozy 14%, Resource Management 12.1%, Simulation 10.1%
- #46 Feed The Forest
70% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Indoor Sunglasses
Windows · Linux
A short, innocent incremental forest-builder. Unlock snail powers to spread life in a barren desert. Feed the mysterious Forest with juice. And remember: Blood is a type of juice.
Why similar: Automation 23.8%, Idler 21.6%, Incremental 17.6%, Resource Management 9.1%, Building 8.6%
- #47 Signal Foundry
69% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Justin Edwards
Windows
A cozy idle game about reviving an abandoned deep-space refinery. Get the scanner running, dig up ore, build the machines that process it, and let your drones run the place while you're away. Two prestige layers, 30 achievements, a 19-track soundtrack, and no microtransactions, ever.
Why similar: Cozy 23.5%, Idler 20.4%, Automation 16.4%, Incremental 16.3%, Simulation 6.9%
- #48 Doodle Factory
73% matchPositive96% of 27 reviews2024
Dev: Jan Francis Berdan
Windows
Welcome to Doodle Factory - your ticket to the world of factory fun! Dive into building and designing with ever-changing boards. Get creative, boost your efficiency with cool upgrades, and make each factory uniquely yours!
Why similar: Automation 23.9%, Sandbox 13.4%, Building 12.8%, Idler 12.4%, Resource Management 10.5%
- #49 GARDEN&BIRD
71% matchPositive93% of 44 reviews2025
Dev: FreezingStudio
Windows
The arrival of birds turned the deserted island into a garden, creating your own unique garden in the sandbox!
Why similar: Idler 25.1%, Sandbox 17.2%, Incremental 15.1%, Building 14.7%, Cute 7.8%
- #50 ClickShot
70% matchMixed46% of 26 reviews2025
Dev: ApeXPloit Studios
Windows
Lock, Load, Click. A slick clicker game where every click pulls the trigger. Earn shells, unlock wild gun cosmetics, and stack permanent multipliers. Simple to play, hard to quit. Lock, load, and click your way to glory.
Why similar: Automation 28.6%, Idler 27%, Incremental 23.1%, Simulation 9.4%, Casual 6.3%
- #51 Flufftopia: Fluffmazing Edition by Daniel da Silva
68% matchPositive97% of 37 reviews2026
Dev: Daniel da SilvaPub: SmokeSomeFrogs
Windows · Linux
Flufftopia is a cute little clicker game with a story. Help your town to grow and eventually become Flufftopia! But wait… could there be even more?
Why similar: Cozy 20.8%, Automation 19.1%, Incremental 17%, Idler 14.5%, Building 12.1%
- #52 Cauldron Cartel
68% matchNo user reviews
Dev: SHG
Windows · Mac
Run a cozy potion shop that is absolutely, definitely not a criminal front. Brew forbidden potions, hire goblins, dodge the inspector, and grow one bubbling cauldron into a full-blown cartel.
Why similar: Idler 22.2%, Cozy 20.2%, Incremental 18.5%, Automation 9.6%, Simulation 7.6%
- #53 Scrappers Paradise
67% matchNo user reviews
Dev: MisterElixir
Windows
A physics based incremental game about scrapping junk to collect scrap and components. Build machines and buy powerful upgrades to become more efficient.
Why similar: Incremental 24.2%, Idler 20%, Automation 10.8%, Simulation 9.5%, Relaxing 9.2%
- #54 Penguinomics
67% matchMixed50% of 10 reviews2026
Dev: noodle
Windows
A cozy pixel-art idle clicker where you click for Fish, buy upgrades, trigger random events, and Rebirth for Golden Krill to unlock permanent prestige boosts and absurd arctic progression.
Why similar: Automation 26.2%, Idler 25.1%, Incremental 21.3%, Simulation 7.1%, Cute 5.4%
- #55 Shear Field
67% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Playthink
Windows
It begins with a single sheep and the satisfying snip of your first clip. Welcome to Shear Field, an incremental sheep shearing game. You are not just a shearer you are the architect of a massive woolly empire.
Why similar: Idler 26.6%, Automation 22.2%, Incremental 15.6%, Resource Management 12.5%, Simulation 10%
- #56 Nano Flat Owner
66% matchMixed64% of 25 reviews2026
Dev: Vision Party
Windows
Become a nano flat owner! Furnish tiny spaces, rent them out for high prices, and earn massive profits. Start small, collect rent, reinvest, and expand your rental empire. Achieve financial freedom effortlessly in this cozy simulation game!
Why similar: Building 21.9%, Sandbox 18.4%, Idler 14.6%, Incremental 11%, Relaxing 8.4%
- #57 Planet Harvester
67% matchNo user reviews2027
Dev: Otto Development
Windows · Mac
Planet Harvester is a sci-fi automation and resource management sim where you deploy autonomous drones, harvest planets, transfer resources to your mothership, buy upgrades, solve bottlenecks, and expand across the galaxy.
Why similar: Automation 34.4%, Idler 24%, Incremental 16.5%, Resource Management 13.7%, Simulation 10.4%
- #58 10k Generators: The Ultimate Idle Game
65% match1 user reviews0% of 1 reviews2026
Dev: PiratePablo
Windows
10k generators, 20+ currencies. Master 5 prestige trees. Convert currencies, earn interest, unlock perks, stack bonuses, research, climb tiers, evolve, and level globally. Auto-buy included. Deep. Strategic. Endless.
Why similar: Idler 23.6%, Automation 20.4%, Incremental 15.9%, Sandbox 13.5%, Nonlinear 7.3%
- #59 Palm Farm: Idle Crops
65% matchNo user reviews92% of 12 reviews2026
Dev: Fantasy Tree
Windows
A relaxing idle desktop farming game where you grow crops, gather resources, upgrade facilities, tease little birds, earn extra coins by clicking or typing, and expand your farm at a laid-back pace.
Why similar: Idler 26.3%, Automation 25.1%, Incremental 11.3%, Building 9.1%, Simulation 9%
- #60 Botanic Bits
68% match1 user reviews100% of 1 reviews2025
Dev: Cakter
Windows
Cut, harvest, and unlock robots to achieve your long-awaited retirement in this incremental game WITHOUT PRESTIGE!!!
Why similar: Idler 30%, Incremental 20.5%, Automation 14.9%, Cute 9.5%, Relaxing 8.8%