- #1 Sea and Sundry
97% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Ashen Hearth
Windows
Sea and Sundry is a short incremental game about an otter and the sea. Catch clams, scallops, and urchins before they slip away, then crack them open for the tasty morsels. Adapt each night for quicker hands, a sharper eye, or a heavier rock. Forage farther each day, all the way to the abyss.
Why similar: Incremental 23.6%, Idler 20%, Animals 14.3% ★, Management 11.2%, Relaxing 6.9%
- #2 Wheel Be Fine
96% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Nytala Games
Windows · Linux
A cozy incremental clicker about spinning a wheel, feeding hamsters, and making the numbers go up. The world is in darkness! Build up your wheel, unlock upgrades, automate your progress, and save the world with the power you and your hamsters generate.
Why similar: Idler 25.5%, Incremental 24.2%, Animals 14.5% ★, Automation 9.4%, Management 6.8%
- #3 Bumper to Billions
96% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Happy Distractions Studio
Windows
An incremental game about processing vehicles through a toll road.
Why similar: Idler 26.4%, Incremental 24%, Automation 17%, Management 13.2%, Simulation 10.5%
- #4 Flower Tower
95% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Pmdk23
Windows
A short, relaxing incremental game about growing flowers, where your garden quietly thrives and blooms on its own.
Why similar: Idler 23.3%, Incremental 17.5%, Automation 16.6%, Simulation 9.7%, Management 7.8%
- #5 Flowers to Honey
94% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: ThinKING Cat Games
Windows
A cozy incremental where you choose how your bees evolve, plant flowers, guide your hive, and grow a thriving honey empire.
Why similar: Idler 20.6%, Incremental 20.4%, Cozy 10%, Management 9.9%, Resource Management 8.4%
- #6 Hoplings
94% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Mirrawz
Windows · Linux
CLICK > JUMP > GAIN JUMP BUCKS > BUY UPGRADES > JUMP MORE !!! Hoplings is a hand-crafted pixel art clicker/incremental game that is sure to keep you hopping for more!
Why similar: Incremental 25%, Idler 22.1%, Automation 17.1%, Management 13.8%, Relaxing 4.1%
- #7 Buerokratie Idler: Germany
93% match8 user reviews75% of 8 reviews2026
Dev: AKM Interactive
Windows
Process forms, stamp paperwork, and turn a tiny office into an absurd bureaucracy machine. A satirical idle/clicker game about fictional German-style administration - absolutely not official.
Why similar: Idler 24.3%, Incremental 22.5%, Automation 15.8%, Management 11.4%, Resource Management 9.4%
- #8 LaVonne's Lemons Idle
92% matchMixed64% of 36 reviews2026
Dev: LaVonne
Windows
Grow an ultimate empire in LaVonne's Lemons Idle! Click your way from a single citrus to deep cosmic automation. Unearth ancient Artifacts, build out the Endless Research Lab, "feed" (click) your screen pet monkey, and prestige into the stars in this deeply strategic resource management clicker!
Why similar: Idler 27.8%, Incremental 26.1%, Management 14.1%, Simulation 11.6%, Automation 8.6%
- #9 Chop Chop Grove
91% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Big Bubba Productions
Windows
Welcome to Chop Chop Grove! Chop trees. Hire lumberjacks. Spend your lumber on powerful upgrades. Discover the world across 5 unique islands. A cozy incremental game where tiny workers chop, slash, and shoot their way through forests, while you sit back and watch your pile of lumber grow.
Why similar: Incremental 28.6%, Idler 25.1%, Resource Management 12.4%, Relaxing 8.8%, Management 7.9%
- #10 Apiary in Flow
91% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: AkinoEgo
Windows
Apiary in Flow is an incremental game with automation elements where you place bees inside a hive to build efficient honey-gathering chains. Unlock new bee types and spend your harvest on permanent skill tree upgrades!
Why similar: Incremental 26.9%, Idler 23.6%, Automation 18.3%, Management 7.7%, Resource Management 7.5%
- #11 The Frog Prince: Unfrogged
90% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Spacial Vision Pte. Ltd.
Windows
Once a prince, but turned into a frog by the witch. Lash your tongue to collect insects, feed the witch’s cauldron, and turn catches into magical essence. Upgrade your skills, survive nasty bugs to restore your prince status in this cozy incremental clicker.
Why similar: Incremental 26.6%, Idler 13.3%, Simulation 11.7%, Resource Management 10.3%, Management 10.3%
- #12 Grandma's Golden Boy: Sheep Shear Madness
89% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Ailuros Peak
Windows
Defend your title as Grandma’s Golden Boy! No one leaves without a bare bum. Shear the wildest sheep, host legendary tea parties for the grannies, craft epic gear, and build your very own Wool Empire!
Why similar: Idler 26.2%, Incremental 24%, Automation 17.1%, Resource Management 9.3%, Management 7.1%
- #13 Egg to Monster
89% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Furo-Pizza Studio
Windows
Hatch eggs, raise quirky monsters, and ship them to fulfill wholesale orders in this cozy 2D incremental management game. Put egg-shaped villagers to work gathering fish, berries, and meat, then reinvest your earnings in workers, hatchery space, and skills to grow a lively monster farm.
Why similar: Incremental 23.1%, Animals 19.1% ★, Idler 18%, Automation 12.3%, Simulation 7.7%
- #14 GridEnergy
87% match3 user reviews67% of 3 reviews2026
Dev: General Studios
Windows
Become the ultimate energy tycoon in this strategic incremental game. Start with humble coal mines, build complex supply chains, manipulate the stock market, and fund cutting-edge research to build the ultimate power source: a Dyson Sphere.
Why similar: Incremental 27%, Idler 22.4%, Automation 15.3%, Management 11.8%, Resource Management 10.7%
- #15 Bottle Flip Inc
88% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Gamechill
Windows
An incremental game about flipping bottles, unlocking and upgrading unique abilities, and turning simple bottle flips into increasingly satisfying moments.
Why similar: Incremental 26.6%, Idler 22.5%, Automation 11%, Simulation 9.4%, Resource Management 7.5%
- #16 Worm Capitalist
86% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Tikotey
Windows
Worm Capitalist is an incremental game about raising hungry worms, watching them devour everything pixel by pixel, and turning their poop into profit. Feed them, expand your colony, unlock upgrades, boost production, automate the process, and keep growing until the whole world is on the menu.
Why similar: Incremental 19.5%, Idler 17.4%, Animals 14.1% ★, Automation 13.6%, Management 11.1%
- #17 Anty Crush
86% matchNo user reviews
Dev: PixelPoint Studios
Windows
Lead a tiny ant colony through a giant candy world. Crush sweets, collect crumbs, unlock upgrades, grow your colony, and help the Queen evolve in this cozy incremental game.
Why similar: Incremental 25.8%, Idler 21.3%, Automation 16%, Animals 9.8% ★, Resource Management 9.5%
- #18 Cauldron Cartel
85% matchNo user reviews
Dev: SHG
Windows · Mac
Run a cozy potion shop that is absolutely, definitely not a criminal front. Brew forbidden potions, hire goblins, dodge the inspector, and grow one bubbling cauldron into a full-blown cartel.
Why similar: Incremental 23.7%, Idler 20.2%, Management 11.4%, Cozy 10.9%, Simulation 9.4%
- #19 Idle Library
84% matchMixed43% of 35 reviews2026
Dev: DaZeSTRAY
Windows
Turn a small reading room into a legendary archive of knowledge in this relaxing idle incremental game featuring research upgrades, prestige progression, and offline growth
Why similar: Incremental 29%, Idler 25.9%, Management 10%, Automation 9.5%, Casual 6.5%
- #20 Saba Clicker
84% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Anonymous
Windows
Why similar: Incremental 32.3%, Idler 26.9%, Simulation 10.9%, Management 10.5%, Resource Management 8.6%
- #21 LumberBoy
83% matchNo user reviews
Dev: HiddenStageGames
Windows
A woodcutting incremental where you explore different forests, process wood, and keep growing. Start with just a basic axe, max out your stats, and become the greatest lumberjack in the forest!
Why similar: Incremental 27.7%, Idler 19.3%, Management 14.1%, Resource Management 11.4%, Simulation 10.2%
- #22 InfiniDomino
82% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Vasrak Games
Windows
Doom has arrived. But beyond the end… there are still dominoes. Push the dominoes to start a chain reaction, and grow exponentially through offerings and reincarnation. A meditative idle game featuring multi-layered prestige, automation, and strategy-driven challenges.
Why similar: Idler 27%, Incremental 24.6%, Automation 17.5%, Resource Management 10.3%, Simulation 9.7%
- #23 Cosmic Clicker
81% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Gladino
Windows · Linux
Build a cosmic energy empire in this colorful incremental sci-fi game. Click, automate production, unlock technologies, explore distant planets, collect artifacts, raise cosmic pets, and ascend to unlock permanent upgrades.
Why similar: Incremental 25.5%, Idler 21.6%, Automation 15.2%, Resource Management 10.4%, Simulation 9.8%
- #24 Plausible Deniability - Cover Your Tracks
81% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Nox Nauta Games
Windows · Linux
A satisfying incremental game about breaking boxes, shredding paperwork, and upgrading your operation to keep up with an endless flood of documents.
Why similar: Incremental 25.7%, Idler 22.9%, Management 14.9%, Cozy 10%, Simulation 8.7%
- #25 Beyond the Belt
79% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Team Jape
Windows
Collect and spend gems in this sci-fi/space themed incremental/idle game. Recruit and upgrade harvester ships and abilities to gather them faster and faster.
Why similar: Idler 29.1%, Incremental 26.8%, Management 16.1%, Simulation 12.1%, Resource Management 5.3%
- #26 Clickstead
79% matchNo user reviews86% of 7 reviews2026
Dev: Zettik
Windows
A short incremental game about harvesting trees using elements like Fire and Lightning to your advantage. Build your skill tree and rise from Seed to legend.
Why similar: Idler 31.7%, Incremental 27.2%, Management 11.5%, Resource Management 11.3%, Relaxing 7.1%
- #27 Monster Flipper
78% matchMostly Positive75% of 48 reviews2026
Dev: NovaScreen
Windows
Monster Flipper is a short incremental game where you buy and level monsters, smash them with a giant hammer for gold, and unlock swords and artifacts to automate your progress.
Why similar: Idler 24.9%, Incremental 23.6%, Automation 14.3%, Management 14%, Simulation 8.4%
- #28 Coin Hoarder
80% match8 user reviews63% of 8 reviews2025
Dev: JLY Games
Windows
Click, collect, and ascend! Coin Hoarder is an addictive idle/incremental game in the spirit of Cookie Clicker and other greats, with endless upgrades, ascensions, and achievements.
Why similar: Incremental 28.7%, Idler 24%, Automation 15%, Simulation 13.3%, Resource Management 7.3%
- #29 Smashing Simulator Idle
82% matchMostly Positive74% of 481 reviews2024
Dev: Walking Cat
Windows · Linux
Incremental game about smashing with unfolding gameplay and two prestige layers.
Why similar: Incremental 25.3%, Idler 21.4%, Management 12.4%, Automation 11.1%, Simulation 8.5%
- #30 Long Watch
77% matchNo user reviews
Dev: William Wilson
Windows
A short incremental game about an old relay station waking up from deep hibernation. Collect signals, decode the messages they carry, and grow your station into a network across nearby sectors.
Why similar: Incremental 29.9%, Idler 25%, Management 14.6%, Simulation 13.4%, Resource Management 12%
- #31 Shelldiver
76% matchOverwhelmingly Positive99% of 18,200 reviews2025
Dev: Gagonfe
Windows
Median: 3.9 hrsMean: 4.2 hrs≥1hr: 90%
Take a deep breath and dive right into this cozy incremental game about a senior turtle trying to start a business selling jellyfish. Upgrade your equipment, explore biomes, and help your turtly village!
Why similar: Incremental 36.5%, Idler 18.2%, Management 12.8%, Resource Management 10.2%, Relaxing 7%
- #32 Garbage Growth
75% matchVery Positive92% of 368 reviews2026
Dev: apepatrickdev
Windows
Garbage Growth is a short incremental trash game about collecting people's trash, bananas and even babies, to make money and pollute the world even more. Hire rats, grow your pollution, and make everything worse!
Why similar: Idler 24.4%, Incremental 23.3%, Automation 16.9%, Management 10.2%, Simulation 8%
- #33 Pibcremental
73% matchVery Positive86% of 364 reviews2026
Dev: Arcane CabinetPub: GrabTheGames
Windows
Median: 5.5 hrsMean: 8.2 hrs≥1hr: 85%
A cozy, chaotic idle-incremental clicker about growing a civilisation of tiny creatures called Pibbles in a giant tree, set in a post-human world.
Why similar: Idler 24.9%, Incremental 24.8%, Simulation 10.9%, Management 9.6%, Resource Management 8.4%
- #34 Ever Flip
76% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: TMA Forge
Windows
Ever Flip is an incremental coin-flipping game where streaks from 50% coin flips unlock bigger rewards and growing automation.
Why similar: Incremental 21.7%, Idler 21.4%, Automation 14.9%, Management 11.1%, Simulation 9.4%
- #35 Milk Can Clicker
74% matchPositive92% of 12 reviews2026
Dev: ShoninyasTube
Windows
Start with a few cows and build a growing dairy business. Produce and process milk, automate your farm, expand into the village and city, complete orders, use Prestige and work your way toward the Milk Festival – with no ads or in-game purchases.
Why similar: Incremental 20.6%, Idler 18.3%, Automation 14.3%, Management 10.3%, Resource Management 8.8%
- #36 Pasture Palette
75% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Eternal Delta Games
Windows
Pasture Palette is a living art piece where your field becomes the canvas. Shape colors by painting objects, growing flowers, and raising sheep in vibrant hues, as loyal dogs help turn wool into goods and discover the palette hidden in your pasture.
Why similar: Incremental 27.5%, Idler 23.1%, Relaxing 9.4%, Automation 9%, Simulation 7.4%
- #37 Scratchers
78% matchMixed58% of 590 reviews2025
Dev: muffler
Windows
Median: 2.0 hrsMean: 3.5 hrs≥1hr: 87%
Scratchers is an incremental game where you scratch cards to earn cash, unlock upgrades, and hire little scratchers to do the scratching for you. Discover rare cards, and optimize your earnings as you climb to scratcher supremacy!
Why similar: Incremental 31.1%, Idler 21.7%, Management 14.4%, Simulation 12.4%, Relaxing 6.2%
- #38 Aluminium City
72% match4 user reviews100% of 4 reviews2026
Dev: Hadamant
Windows
Incremental clicker/idle and narrative game where you crush empty cans, sell the aluminum, upgrade your equipment, and buy factories and automatic presses to automate the process. Discover what happened to your wife and son as you try to save Aluminum City from an evil villain.
Why similar: Incremental 26.7%, Idler 22.8%, Automation 17.3%, Resource Management 9.7%, Simulation 8.4%
- #39 The Hundredth Gear
73% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Crimson Cloud Games
Windows
Build the legendary Hundredth Gear, a 100-stage mechanical machine, in this first-person incremental game. Start with your own two hands, then research, upgrade and automate your growing creation as you chase the impossible: 10¹⁰⁰ rotations. What happens if you actually reach it?
Why similar: Incremental 25.1%, Idler 21.3%, Automation 16.2%, Simulation 11.6%, Management 9.6%
- #40 Hyrax Hill
73% matchNo user reviews
Dev: ChaotiCat Games
Windows
Take control of a growing colony of adorable Rock Hyraxes in this cozy worker placement incremental game! Your goal is to gather resources, upgrade your habitats, and expand your family.
Why similar: Incremental 20.7%, Animals 18.7% ★, Cozy 10.6%, Idler 10%, Resource Management 9%
- #41 Way Too Many Eggs
72% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Luvineva Games
Windows
Way Too Many Eggs is an incremental game about turning a tiny chicken farm into egg-filled chaos. Collect eggs, grow your flock, hire helpers, crack giant eggs and unlock permanent upgrades in the skill tree!
Why similar: Incremental 21.8%, Idler 19.9%, Automation 12.2%, Management 11.7%, Cozy 9.3%
- #42 Spincremental
71% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: SincX GG
Windows
Pull the lever, watch the reels, collect the symbols. Buy slot machines, unlock cursors, magnets, and cards that play for you, then upgrade everything through a deep skill tree. A cozy pixel-art incremental about turning one wooden slot into an automated jackpot empire.
Why similar: Incremental 32%, Idler 25%, Simulation 10.6%, Resource Management 6%, Relaxing 5.9%
- #43 Incremental Ants
71% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Reed MolbakPub: TrueColor Games
Windows
Hatch ants. Explore parks. Steal picnic baskets. Incremental Ants is a game about growing an ant colony. Gather food using a variety of ants, upgrade their skills, unlock new species, and expand into territory where no ant has gone before.
Why similar: Incremental 29.1%, Idler 24.1%, Simulation 13.1%, Resource Management 11.4%, Cozy 7.9%
- #44 A Game About Shooting Ducks
70% match2 user reviews100% of 2 reviews2026
Dev: greatnategames Pub: greatnategames
Windows
In this incremental game, you shoot ducks with insane abilities and earn money. Use your earnings to buy dogs and traps and hire hunters to help you hunt even more ducks. Progress through levels, battle powerful bosses, and work toward making the entire duck population extinct!
Why similar: Incremental 19.9%, Idler 17.7%, Animals 14.7% ★, Automation 13.3%, Management 9.8%
- #45 Pokremental
71% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Masivo games
Windows · Mac
Pokremental is an incremental game where you flip poker cards to earn money. Buy cards and upgrades to earn more money, or hire helpers to automate the process. Gamble at the casino or on the skill tree to progress faster.
Why similar: Incremental 26.6%, Idler 22.2%, Automation 16.7%, Simulation 12.5%, Management 7%
- #46 Arcane Forge
70% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Vayvolt
Windows
Early Access: Rebuild the greatest fantasy smithy from the ruins of a fallen empire. Dark fantasy idle RPG with 15 skills, prestige, combat and endzone. 7 pacts playable now, 21 planned across three cycles. Your feedback shapes updates. No pay-to-win. DE/EN.
Why similar: Idler 26.6%, Incremental 25.7%, Automation 14.5%, Simulation 12.2%, Resource Management 7.8%
- #47 Pest Protocol
70% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Eternal Dev
Windows · Linux
Pest Protocol is a short, satisfying incremental game. Start by using cursor to eradicate pests, then rapidly deploy autonomous systems to clear the screen for you. Build, upgrade, and scale your extermination empire. Automate the eradication.
Why similar: Incremental 26.6%, Idler 21.8%, Automation 19%, Management 15.5%, Simulation 8.7%
- #48 Ants Took the Kitchen
69% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Atthus Games
Windows
In Ants Took the Kitchen, you lead a small colony of ants determined to take over the kitchen. Collect crumbs, carry increasingly larger pieces of food, buy upgrades for each area, automate the collection process, and turn a simple corner of the floor into a hungry swarm.
Why similar: Incremental 20.2%, Idler 16.5%, Simulation 13.8%, Animals 11.9% ★, Automation 8%
- #49 Ocean Cleaner Idle
69% matchMixed61% of 32 reviews2026
Dev: Watt a Day GamesPub: Murmuring Grove Games
Windows
“Ocean Cleaner Idle” is a cozy incremental clicker game where you relax while cleaning the ocean! As an Atlantean, your sacred duty is to collect the waste humans left behind and help Mother Nature to improve the ecosystem.
Why similar: Incremental 24.3%, Idler 20.4%, Automation 12.9%, Management 11.7%, Resource Management 9.1%
- #50 Marble Mill
69% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: StoneForge Labs
Windows · Linux
An idle game where every coin is a real collision. Build a marble mill, watch it grow into a roaring machine — and finish it in one satisfying evening. 100% achievements in ~3 hours, endless sandbox after. An idle game that ends.
Why similar: Idler 30.2%, Incremental 27.5%, Cozy 13.8%, Relaxing 8.7%, Resource Management 5.7%
- #51 Nexus: Quantum Industries
68% match1 user reviews100% of 1 reviews2026
Dev: Kuiper Industries
Windows
A sci-fi incremental about industrializing the universe, collapsing it into Stardust, and rebuilding stronger. Automate twelve tiers of impossible machines, chart a finite galaxy, draft run-changing Cosmic Laws, light five constellations, and descend into the endless Abyss
Why similar: Incremental 27.3%, Idler 24.1%, Automation 16.2%, Management 11.7%, Resource Management 9.4%
- #52 Cascadium
68% matchMostly Positive76% of 17 reviews2026
Dev: ABoxWithinABox
Windows
A simple idle game where you drop balls plinko-style to make money. Big number make head go brrrr.
Why similar: Incremental 36%, Idler 29.5%, Simulation 14.3%, Relaxing 9.6%, Casual 6.1%
- #53 LaVonne's Grid Idle
68% matchNo user reviews
Dev: LaVonne
Windows
A deeply mathematical 3D idle game leveraging exponential scaling. Unlock the Void Dimension, assemble powerful Artifacts, unlock massive Constellation technology trees, and fully automate your resource production to achieve endless numerical growth.
Why similar: Management 20.6%, Incremental 18.9%, Automation 18.5%, Idler 16.4%, Resource Management 14.3%
- #54 Bacteria Buster
67% match3 user reviews100% of 3 reviews2026
Dev: 程序员小灰
Windows
Bacteria Buster is a fast-paced petri-dish cleanup game. Swat bacteria, upgrade your tools, deploy six Nano Robots, and develop four automatic Medicines. Clear a 200-stage campaign, face Super Bacteria and Bacteria Kings, then carry your progress into 1,000 stages of Endless Mode.
Why similar: Idler 26.7%, Incremental 23.2%, Automation 19%, Simulation 13.1%, Relaxing 4.2%
- #55 Macchinato
67% match3 user reviews100% of 3 reviews2026
Dev: chainfault
Windows · Mac · Linux
A relaxing idle clicker about building a coffee empire. Harvest beans, roast them, and serve caffeinated drinks for profit. Automate each stage, work around your bottleneck, and franchise into a global brand. Designed to run alongside your day, and progress keeps brewing while you're away.
Why similar: Idler 31.2%, Resource Management 14.1%, Simulation 12.5%, Incremental 10.7%, Automation 9.3%
- #56 Idle Plant Game
77% matchMixed53% of 101 reviews2023
Dev: FootoftheHare
Windows
Idle Plant Game, an idle and offline progress or clicker plant simulation!
Why similar: Incremental 30.5%, Idler 24.7%, Automation 13.2%, Management 10.6%, Simulation 10.2%
- #57 Ducks VS Demons
67% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Bad Duck Games
Windows
Raise a flock of rubber ducks. Watch them grow and evolve! Collect loot, buy upgrades, and defend your pond from demons in this incremental clicker.
Why similar: Idler 26%, Incremental 21.6%, Simulation 15.4%, Animals 11.1% ★, Cozy 9.6%
- #58 SCRIMBLO SCRAMBLE
66% matchNo user reviews2027
Dev: OBJECT OBSERVER
Windows
Put it all on the line in this roulette-themed incremental game where you torment your scrimblos in order to manage and eventually escape hell.
Why similar: Incremental 35.2%, Idler 28.8%, Automation 13.8%, Resource Management 11.2%, Casual 6.8%
- #59 Click and Spell
66% matchNo user reviews
Dev: rami
Windows
A tiny clicker game that sits on the corner of your screen. Kill monsters, earn gold and buy new spells to level up (even when you're idle). Unlock cosmetics to customize your character. Watch the numbers increase non-stop and become a powerful witch!
Why similar: Incremental 31.5%, Idler 26.6%, Relaxing 8.4%, Simulation 8.2%, Resource Management 6.4%
- #60 Click Build Repeat
65% matchMostly Positive74% of 19 reviews2026
Dev: Don Pachi
Windows
Click Build Repeat is an incremental game about building and collecting model kits.
Why similar: Incremental 30.1%, Idler 25.8%, Management 14.5%, Relaxing 9.4%, Simulation 5.7%