- #1 Donor Clinic Simulator
97% matchNo user reviews
Dev: 2 Stula Games
Windows
Manage your own reproductive medicine clinic! Choose donors based on their physical traits, research the effectiveness of biomaterials, upgrade the donor room, improve your laboratory, purchase new equipment, and help couples have a baby and become happy parents!
Why similar: Medical Sim 42.9% ★, Simulation 11.3%, Management 9.9%, Life Sim 8.7%, Economy 6.3%
- #2 Hospital Center Tycoon
96% matchNo user reviews
Dev: BronStudio
Windows
Build and manage a fully-equipped hospital, hire specialists, treat patients, expand departments, and keep your staff running at maximum efficiency.
Why similar: Medical Sim 45.4% ★, Life Sim 14.7%, Capitalism 11.6%, Management 8.1%, Simulation 6%
- #3 Pharmacy Store Simulator
95% matchMostly Positive73% of 44 reviews2026
Dev: Art Games Studio S.A.
Windows
Run your own Pharmacy! Sell medicines, advise customers, validate prescriptions, and fulfill them. Start small and expand your business - make it big in the medicine world!
Why similar: Medical Sim 21.8% ★, Life Sim 12.1%, Simulation 11.1%, Economy 11%, Capitalism 10.3%
- #4 Симулятор ПВЗ
96% matchMostly Positive75% of 154 reviews2024
Dev: r0keePub: EmptyFridge
Windows
Станьте владельцем пункта выдачи заказов своего любого маркетплейса в этом Симуляторе ПВЗ! Разгружайте посылки, отдавайте заказы, занимайтесь менеджментом и просто зарабатывайте деньги. Сможете ли вы сделать самый успешный пункт выдачи заказов?
Why similar: Idler 21.1%, Life Sim 20.7%, Simulation 9.1%, Realistic 8.8%, Management 8.3%
- #5 MediSim: Emergency Response
94% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Mehmet Hilmi Değirmenci
Windows
As a young doctor, save lives in emergencies, advance from a health center to a major hospital, and manage your own facility. Perform first aid, and diagnostics, take on ambulance and helicopter missions, and build your medical team. A realistic medical simulation where every decision matters!
Why similar: Medical Sim 52.6% ★, Life Sim 17%, Simulation 12.1%, Casual 5.9%, Management 5.1%
- #6 Pharmacy Simulator
94% matchMixed60% of 246 reviews2024
Dev: Altai Entertainment
Windows
Experience a realistic pharmacy management experience with Pharmacy Simulator. Set up your shop, decorate it as you wish, and purchase over a hundred types of medications. Pharmacy Simulator offers you an incredibly realistic pharmacy experience. Prove your skills in a challenging economic system.
Why similar: Medical Sim 44.1% ★, Life Sim 19.4%, Simulation 11%, Economy 6.6%, Realistic 5.8%
- #7 Doctor Life Simulator
93% matchMixed67% of 138 reviews2025
Dev: Bleeding Edge StudioPub: Blackburne Games Studio FZ LLC
Windows
Step into the shoes of a dedicated medical professional in Doctor Life Simulator. Experience the challenges and triumphs of running your own medical practice, from diagnosing complex illnesses to performing life-saving surgeries.
Why similar: Medical Sim 40.9% ★, Life Sim 15.9%, Management 7.9%, Modern 7.6%, Simulation 6.3%
- #8 Supermarket Manager 2024
92% matchNo user reviews
Dev: MagicPro
Windows
Transform your modest store into a retail empire in this dynamic 3D simulator. Manage inventory, optimize pricing, and expand your supermarket. Balance supply and demand to become the ultimate Supermarket Manager in 2024!
Why similar: Life Sim 22.8%, Capitalism 16%, Simulation 13.2%, Realistic 8.5%, Economy 8.4%
- #9 Store Life Simulator
91% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Insight Game StudioPub: Hibull Games
Windows
Store Life Simulator is a simulation and management game where you start with a small grocery store and have to expand it until you create a true business empire! Hire employees, manage your stock, serve customers and open new stores while facing the daily challenges of an entrepreneur.
Why similar: Medical Sim 43.6% ★, Life Sim 17.6%, Economy 10.2%, Simulation 9.1%, First-Person 8.2%
- #10 Epi-Derick
90% matchPositive80% of 10 reviews2025
Dev: Fireslug Studios
Windows
You run the only pharmacy in a rural town. Each face at the counter is the same, each ailment slightly different. Provide Care - Follow Our Rules - Stay Safe.
Why similar: Medical Sim 51.7% ★, Simulation 10.1%, Life Sim 10.1%, Management 7%, Stylized 6.3%
- #11 Pawn Simulator
91% matchMixed57% of 83 reviews2024
Dev: Editmode
Windows
A simulation game where we run a pawn shop. Take the first steps to open a thrift shop in Detroit and discover the experience of running a real thrift shop. Find, restore, and sell amazing items and build your own shop kingdom!
Why similar: Life Sim 22%, Capitalism 14.6%, Simulation 13.8%, Modern 10.3%, Realistic 7.8%
- #12 Hospital Renovator
88% matchNo user reviews
Dev: GamesUP StudioPub: T-Bull
Windows
Become a one-man renovation company and take care of the reconstruction of a ruined hospital! Save a neglected facility and create a fully functional emergency complex. The entire process of cleaning, planning, repairing, and arranging is on your side. Build a dream clinic in the Hospital Renovator!
Why similar: Medical Sim 51.3% ★, Life Sim 15.9%, Realistic 9.7%, Simulation 7.7%, Management 7.5%
- #13 中医模拟传承人
89% matchPositive86% of 14 reviews2024
Dev: guizhi0011
Windows
A game where everyone can learn traditional Chinese medicine.
Why similar: Medical Sim 59.7% ★, Life Sim 18.8%, Simulation 13.4%, Casual 5.1%, First-Person 3.1%
- #14 Hair Removal Salon Simulator
86% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Yoshio Games
Windows
Experience the oddly satisfying world of laser hair removal! Zap through thick beards, manage your customers' pain levels, and build your hairy empire. Will you run a 5-star luxury salon or a house of screams?
Why similar: Medical Sim 51.6% ★, Capitalism 9.8%, Economy 9.4%, Realistic 8.8%, Simulation 8.6%
- #15 Nursing Simulator—Code Ube
86% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Mobile Nursing LLC
Windows · Mac · Linux
When things aren't as they seem, nobody stands against fate but one nurse. Play as Karen—a nurse who saves lives and kicks butt! Complete tasks, give meds, and document assessments. But when night comes, beware of those who try to steer you away from what's right.
Why similar: Medical Sim 59.8% ★, Life Sim 24.6%, Simulation 15.6%
- #16 Medical verdict
89% matchMixed57% of 53 reviews2018
Dev: Volokitin Andrey
Windows
Here is a fun simulator of passing a medical examination in the Chelyabinsk clinic with realistic graphics and interesting gameplay! Take the coronavirus test! Collect as many virtual health points as you can, but remember ... this is just a game!
Why similar: Medical Sim 75.4% ★, Simulation 12.2%, Casual 6.6%, Realistic 5.9%
- #17 Ripperdoc Simulator
85% matchMostly Positive75% of 12 reviews2025
Dev: Kool2Play
Windows
In Ripperdoc Simulator, you are the surgeon of the shadows. In the front, you run a dingy electronics shop in a crime-ridden district. In the back, you perform illegal implantations on desperate clients seeking power, beauty, or survival — no matter the cost.
Why similar: Medical Sim 44.6% ★, Capitalism 11.6%, Life Sim 10.4%, Simulation 8.2%, Management 7.4%
- #18 Medic Simulator
83% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Eathrabaria
Windows
Become a doctor and treat patients in every area of medicine. Become a cardiologist, psychiatrist, dentist, dermatologist, oncologist, surgeon, ophthalmologist, neurologist…!
Why similar: Medical Sim 55.7% ★, Life Sim 22.8%, Simulation 14.4%, 3D 4.7%, Choices Matter 2.3%
- #19 Laundromat Simulator
84% matchMixed55% of 112 reviews2024
Dev: Mammalian Machine
Windows
Furnish, Manage, and Maintain multiple stores in Laundromat Simulator! Collect and Count your hard-earned pennies and improve your stores to keep customers happy and maximize your profits. Expand your business, improve customer experience, and make your laundromat the best in town!
Why similar: Life Sim 24.9%, Capitalism 16.2%, Simulation 14.5%, Realistic 8.6%, Economy 8.5%
- #20 My Universe - Doctors & Nurses
84% matchMostly Negative29% of 14 reviews2022
Dev: It Matters GamesPub: Microids
Windows · Mac
Take turns to play either a doctor or nurse. Diagnose illnesses and infections so as to treat and help your many patients. Set out on an adventure in a buzzing hospital environment. Meet all sorts of different characters and discover a story full of surprises.
Why similar: Medical Sim 62% ★, Life Sim 19%, Simulation 8.5%, Casual 6.2%, 3D 4.4%
- #21 Rug Cleaning Simulator
81% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Monte de shotPub: Monte De shot
Windows · Linux
Rug cleaning simulator is cozy, relaxing first person simulator about running small rug cleaning business.
Why similar: Life Sim 21.9%, Capitalism 19.1%, Realistic 10.6%, Economy 10.3%, Simulation 9.3%
- #22 Miner Man
81% matchNo user reviews
Dev: eqqs
Windows
Dig deep, upgrade your gear, and build your mining empire in Miner Man! Mine resources, hire contractors to automate the grind, and unlock new, challenging mines as you grow from rookie digger to legendary tycoon.
Why similar: Life Sim 21.3%, Idler 21%, Simulation 12.3%, Capitalism 11.7%, Economy 6.1%
- #23 Sleep Simulator
82% match4 user reviews50% of 4 reviews2024
Dev: Jan Švec
Windows
Welcome to the world of "Sleep Simulator," where you will immerse yourself in the fascinating and hyper-realistic world of sleep.
Why similar: Life Sim 28.5%, Idler 27.9%, Simulation 17.4%, Realistic 12.8%, First-Person 8.1%
- #24 Sawmill Simulator
80% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Sunbeam Studio
Windows
Take ownership of an old, underperforming sawmill, a place full of noise, dust, and untapped potential. Step into the world of industrial wood processing and turn raw logs into profit through smart operation, precision cutting, and efficient production flow.
Why similar: Life Sim 23.2%, Management 12.6%, Simulation 12.3%, Capitalism 11.4%, Realistic 10.1%
- #25 Drink Factory Simulator - Prologue
79% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Agosto Game StudioPub: PlayWay S.A.
Windows
Build your own beverage empire from scratch! 🍹 Experiment with recipes, find the perfect blend, expand your factory and fulfill massive orders. Every drop is your call!
Why similar: Capitalism 20.6%, Simulation 16.1%, Life Sim 12.8%, Realistic 12.4%, First-Person 9.3%
- #26 E-Commerce Simulator 2025
79% matchMostly Negative36% of 77 reviews2025
Dev: Voxel Bytes
Windows
Build your own digital retail empire and serve customers from around the globe! E-commerce Simulator 2025 offers you a comprehensive virtual trading experience where you can showcase and sell various products.
Why similar: Life Sim 28.1%, Simulation 16%, Economy 11.2%, Casual 10%, Realistic 9.8%
- #27 Crypto Mining
77% matchNegative16% of 19 reviews2025
Dev: KA1LEOT GROUP
Windows
“Crypto Mining” is a simulation game in which you have to create your own “Crypto-Imperia”, earn all the money in the world, or, fail.
Why similar: Life Sim 24.3%, Idler 21.7%, Simulation 10.7%, Management 10.5%, Economy 8.6%
- #28 Cash is King!
77% matchNo user reviews
Dev: BlackBeak GamesPub: Three River Games (3RG)
Windows
Welcome to a place where the sun is guaranteed and money is basically part of the beachwear. In this cozy first-person simulation, you start out at Miami Beach, sell, invest, optimize, and make the cash register ring – because in the end, only one thing counts: Cash is King.
Why similar: Life Sim 22.1%, Capitalism 19.4%, Management 12.4%, Simulation 11.7%, Economy 10.6%
- #29 Psyhonds
76% match8 user reviews63% of 8 reviews2026
Dev: Meriteri GamesPub: Terrabyte Games
Windows
A satirical mental hospital survival simulator: control four unstable characters, craft from junk, forge dubious alliances, communicate with patients and staff, and choose between a quiet life in a ward, a riot, or a risky escape to freedom.
Why similar: Medical Sim 65.9% ★, Life Sim 14.8%, Simulation 7.7%, PvE 5.7%, Stylized 3.7%
- #30 Dentist Simulator 2
76% match4 user reviews100% of 4 reviews2025
Dev: Code Lab
Windows
Screams, panic, and fear of the dentist’s chair — now YOU hold the drill! Master anesthesia, gum surgery, extractions, and bleeding control with precision. Go beyond basics: apply braces, craft gold & silver teeth, implants, and use inhalation sedation. Keep patients calm or hear their screams!
Why similar: Medical Sim 57% ★, Life Sim 20.4%, Simulation 7%, Realistic 5%, First-Person 3.6%
- #31 Hospital Manager
82% matchMixed46% of 254 reviews2015
Dev: CCCPPub: Microids Indie
Windows · Mac
Median: 1.1 hrsMean: 9.5 hrs≥1hr: 56%
Experience something novel, bursting with extraordinary phenomena and strange situations in your hospital! Only you have the power to make the best decisions and to make your hospital the most popular one! But beware: Several events will add some spice to your life! Embark on the career of your life!
Why similar: Medical Sim 72.2% ★, Management 18%, Simulation 9.8%
- #32 Bar Master
75% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: NoBrain Studio
Windows
Bar Master is a management game where you play as a bar owner and must develop your business. Start by serving beers in a simple bar, hire waiters, unlock new drinks, expand your bar, and buy new bars in the city!
Why similar: Life Sim 18.3%, Management 15.3%, Simulation 13.7%, Economy 12.8%, Idler 9.4%
- #33 E-commerce Simulator
74% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Voxel Bytes
Windows
Build your own digital retail empire and serve customers from around the globe! E-commerce Simulator offers you a comprehensive virtual trading experience where you can showcase and sell various products.
Why similar: Life Sim 28.8%, Simulation 17.4%, Casual 10.8%, Economy 10.7%, Realistic 10.2%
- #34 King of Retail 2
74% matchMostly Positive78% of 274 reviews2025
Dev: Freaking Games
Windows
Build a retail empire across dozens of locations with hundreds of employees. Design every inch of your stores with a deep building tool, then fine-tune pricing, staffing, and product mix to stay profitable. Scale up, customize everything, and manage the details that make or break your bottom line.
Why similar: Capitalism 21.4%, Life Sim 16.5%, Modern 12.1%, Economy 12%, Management 10.3%
- #35 Failure simulator
78% matchPositive97% of 31 reviews2021
Dev: XXaLoserXX
Windows
Waste time like in real life, do absolutely nothing watch your screen while you wonder were did things go wrong in your life. A simulation game that you do nothing just look at your screen. A complete waste of time and money.
Why similar: Idler 35.3%, Life Sim 28.9%, Simulation 13.7%, Realistic 9.2%, Relaxing 8.6%
- #36 Coffeehouse Simulator
73% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Baked Games
Windows
Have you ever dreamed of owning a small place where you can sell coffee, tea, and cake to your lovely customers? Coffeehouse is exactly that! Take care of customer orders, make coffee, resolve customers problems and lose yourself in this first-person management game!
Why similar: Life Sim 23.9%, Capitalism 16.3%, Realistic 10.6%, Simulation 10.1%, Modern 9.5%
- #37 Trading Simulator
75% matchMostly Positive72% of 18 reviews2023
Dev: metayildizoyun
Windows
Build your financial empire in Trading Simulator by strategically investing in businesses, navigating a dynamic market, and using realistic trading mechanics. Are you ready to turn your financial dreams into reality?
Why similar: Capitalism 29.1%, Life Sim 20.6%, Economy 14.2%, Idler 12%, Management 11.6%
- #38 Dr. Cares - Amy's Pet Clinic
78% matchMostly Positive79% of 76 reviews2018
Dev: NitrealPub: GameHouse
Windows · Mac
Get ready to test your vet skills in Dr. Cares - Amy's Pet Clinic!
Why similar: Medical Sim 77% ★, Simulation 14.8%, Casual 8.3%
- #39 Fun Center Simulator
72% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Born In Garage
Windows
Create your own fun center! Arcades, video games, cinema — it’s all in your hands. Sell snacks&drinks, make popcorn, and delight your visitors. Build the coolest entertainment center around!
Why similar: Life Sim 17.9%, Capitalism 17.7%, Economy 12.8%, Management 11.6%, Simulation 9.5%
- #40 Slav Junkie Simulator
73% matchMixed58% of 31 reviews2024
Dev: Eathrabaria
Windows
You live in a small soviet slav eastern european cyberpunk city. You have severe heroin addiction that you need to sustain. Heroin is very expensive and earnings in a rural city are very small, barely enough for survival. Survive one week.
Why similar: Medical Sim 51.6% ★, Life Sim 20.6%, Simulation 8.9%, Realistic 8.4%, First-Person 6.2%
- #41 Donut Shop Simulator
71% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Manas GamesPub: PlayWay S.A.
Windows
Choose the right products, make your own donuts, work as a cashier, hire cashiers, handle deliveries and make your small shop a big success by keeping your customers happy!
Why similar: Life Sim 30.5%, Capitalism 24.8%, Simulation 15%, Economy 12.9%, Casual 8%
- #42 Emergency Room Simulator
71% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Caipirinha GamesPub: Aerosoft
Windows
In Emergency Room Simulator, you become a dedicated doctor in the emergency room, responsible for diagnosing and treating patients as well as saving lives. This professional simulation offers an immersive experience of working in a fast-paced medical environment.
Why similar: Medical Sim 63.4% ★, Simulation 15.4%, Realistic 8.7%, First-Person 7.1%, 3D 5.4%
- #43 Cleaning Simulator: Ultimate Mess
70% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Alice Games
Windows
Clean, organize, and restore different environments in this level-based cleaning simulator. Every level introduces new mechanics, tools, and satisfying ways to turn mess into perfection.
Why similar: Life Sim 21.7%, Simulation 16%, Realistic 13.3%, Capitalism 12.7%, Economy 10.1%
- #44 Individual Invest Tycoon 2
69% match8 user reviews88% of 8 reviews2026
Dev: chenjd
Windows
A single betrayal shattered your father’s business empire, leaving behind five public companies. Years later, you return from the bottom of the market, building capital through long-term investment. Your ultimate goal is simple: buy out and take full control of all five companies.
Why similar: Capitalism 25.5%, Life Sim 20.8%, Economy 13.4%, Management 10.5%, Simulation 8.1%
- #45 Lifeguard Simulator
70% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: FreeMind S.A.
Windows
Guard the beach, react fast, and save lives using quads, jet skis, motorboats, drones, and a helicopter. Patrol the bay, help those in need and uncover a hidden criminal intrigue beneath the waves.
Why similar: Medical Sim 48.3% ★, Life Sim 16.4%, Realistic 8.9%, Simulation 7.1%, First-Person 5.6%
- #46 Medic Simulator: Combat Zone
69% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Code Lab
Windows
Rescue wounded soldiers under enemy fire, control severe bleeding, apply tourniquets, perform emergency procedures, and transport patients to safety. Use real combat triage principles, react to unpredictable threats, and engage enemies when necessary. Only the fastest and bravest save lives.
Why similar: Medical Sim 64.1% ★, Life Sim 22.3%, Simulation 8.6%, Realistic 2.9%, First-Person 2.1%
- #47 Doctor Simulator
68% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Medic Labs
Windows
If you have ever thought of becoming a doctor – here is your chance! Arm yourself in a stethoscope and do a ward round to keep up to date with your patients’ condition. They may complain and question your authority but remember – you’re the doctor!
Why similar: Medical Sim 45.6% ★, Simulation 21.4%, Casual 11.2%, Economy 5.4%, Realistic 5.2%
- #48 Fantasy Kingdom Merchant Simulator
68% matchNo user reviews
Dev: dadmakesgames
Windows
You are the merchant in a fantasy kingdom. Run the store, stock shelves with potions, magical weapons, and armour. Set prices, hire staff, and expand your business by collaborating with local artisans. Supply NPC heroes so they can keep battling the kingdom's enemies.
Why similar: Capitalism 20.9%, Life Sim 16%, Simulation 13.8%, Economy 13.6%, Management 12.7%
- #49 Internet Cafe Simulator 2025
69% matchMixed42% of 74 reviews2025
Dev: Revolt Games
Windows
Run your own internet café! Manage, upgrade, and customise every detail to create the ultimate hangout in this immersive first-person simulation.
Why similar: Life Sim 22.6%, Capitalism 16.4%, Simulation 9.9%, Realistic 9.3%, Economy 8.5%
- #50 Operation Pill
71% matchPositive91% of 11 reviews2022
Dev: xr407
Windows
Operation Pill is the story of a small and brave pill that gets into your body and saves it from pathogenic bacteria. Arm yourself with an electrostatic shield and a germicidal cannon and save your body!
Why similar: Medical Sim 57.1% ★, Idler 24.5%, Casual 6.5%, 3D 4.5%, Simulation 4.3%
- #51 Be My Mom - maternity simulator, take care of your child
67% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: FreeMind S.A.Pub: PlayWay S.A.
Windows
Become a mother and experience the best of maternity. The game is for future mothers, so they know what to expect, and also for their partners, so they can experience things their women do. The adventure begins just as you see the pregnancy test is positive.
Why similar: Medical Sim 48.8% ★, Life Sim 19.1%, Realistic 7.3%, Simulation 7%, First-Person 6.5%
- #52 Fire Station Renovation
67% matchNo user reviews
Dev: FrogVille Games
Windows
FIRE STATION RENOVATION is a renovator simulator for abandoned and forgotten fire stations. Buy old hovels, repaint, redecorate, clean and even build rodent traps and bring the firehouse back to life!
Why similar: Medical Sim 47.6% ★, Life Sim 19.8%, Realistic 8.7%, Simulation 8.4%, First-Person 6.9%
- #53 Over the Counter
70% matchVery Positive91% of 404 reviews2022
Dev: Brody Rampono
Windows · Mac · Linux
A pharmaceutical business management game.
Why similar: Medical Sim 65.7% ★, Capitalism 20%, Simulation 11.6%, Resource Management 2.7%
- #54 Psycho Simulator
66% matchNo user reviews
Dev: FreeMind S.A.Pub: PlayWay S.A.
Windows
30% of our society suffers from psychological problems. Many famous people throughout the history and pop culture were troubled this way and required professional help.
Why similar: Medical Sim 47.5% ★, Life Sim 17%, Realistic 8.2%, Simulation 6.8%, First-Person 6.1%
- #55 My Universe - Pet Clinic Cats & Dogs
72% matchMixed62% of 29 reviews2020
Dev: It Matters GamesPub: Microids
Windows
Discover the veterinary profession and help cats and dogs that need you. An injury, fever, an animal that refuses to eat: it’s up to you to act!
Why similar: Medical Sim 57.5% ★, Life Sim 15.5%, Simulation 10.4%, Management 6.8%, Casual 5.1%
- #56 Wannabe Trashman
66% matchNo user reviews
Dev: TorbertDevPub: RetryGames
Windows
Collect trash, sell trash, upgrade, pick locks. Become the Trashman. An open-world First-Person hustle simulator where garbage is gold. Your junk empire is just getting started.
Why similar: Capitalism 24.3%, Life Sim 24.3%, Simulation 13.1%, Economy 13%, Management 9.5%
- #57 Beer Manufacture Simulator
64% matchVery Positive82% of 144 reviews2026
Dev: Games Incubator
Windows
Brew your own beer from scratch! Take on the role of a brewmaster, learn brewing techniques, create unique recipes, and grow your craft brewery into a full-scale factory. Expand your brewery from mashing and fermenting to bottling and selling - every decision shapes your beer empire
Why similar: Life Sim 28.6%, Simulation 16.1%, Realistic 13.8%, Economy 9.7%, Management 9.4%
- #58 Poly Plaza ULTIMATE
66% matchMixed57% of 21 reviews2025
Dev: Victor Game Studio
Windows
An open world idle tycoon rpg about making money.
Why similar: Idler 26.6%, Capitalism 22.9%, Life Sim 13.7%, Economy 9.6%, Simulation 8.6%