- #1 Dino Market
97% matchVery Positive97% of 60 reviews2024
Dev: Fuz Games
Windows
Animal friends to keep you company while you work on other tasks. Run a cozy market, play with your chat during streams or use productivity tools to help you focus. All from your desktop!
Why similar: Dinosaurs 26% ★, Idler 17.1%, Automation 16.5%, Utilities 16.4% ★, Point & Click 9.8%
- #2 Super Stroke The Pants
96% match3 user reviews100% of 3 reviews2025
Dev: Cockroach Studio
Windows
Stroke your special pants! This game is super easy! All you have to do is click and hold! Your score will accumulate and achievements will be unlocked! You are free to keep your score at 100 or become the king of pants! You can enjoy it for the price of a cup of coffee!
Why similar: Idler 28.8%, Point & Click 24.4%, Automation 18.9%, Clicker 15%, Casual 5.5%
- #3 Professional Chef
96% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Eracu Studios
Windows · Mac · Linux
Transform simple ingredients into delicious dishes in Professional Chef. Buy, cook, sell, upgrade, and unlock new recipes. Optimize your processes, master every detail, and rise to culinary excellence in this engaging idle cooking experience!
Why similar: Automation 28.7%, Idler 28.4%, Point & Click 17.6%, Clicker 15.4%, Simulation 4.2%
- #4 Botanic Bits
95% match1 user reviews100% of 1 reviews2025
Dev: UnderLight
Windows
Work, study, or relax while little robots take care of your farm. Upgrade and customize both the plants and the robots to maximize your production!
Why similar: Idler 30.5%, Utilities 29.4% ★, Clicker 12.9%, Automation 11.6%, Relaxing 5.8%
- #5 Dino Clicker
94% matchMixed54% of 52 reviews2024
Dev: Polygon Pie
Windows
Tap repeatedly to crack open an ancient egg and collect 9 different dinosaurs, from common to rare and elusive creatures. Try out this addictive clicker game that challenges you to unlock them all through luck and perseverance!
Why similar: Dinosaurs 46% ★, Idler 28.3%, Clicker 14.5%, Casual 4.6%, Relaxing 3.6%
- #6 Spingenuity
93% match7 user reviews100% of 7 reviews2026
Dev: Tidestep Games
Windows
A relaxing incremental game about spinning a wheel. Use your mouse movement to build momentum and set the wheel in motion. Spend your earnings on upgrades to improve the wheel, spin faster, and earn more money. When progress slows, purchase permanent upgrades through the prestige system.
Why similar: Idler 38.5%, Automation 28.2%, Point & Click 13.2%, Clicker 8.4%, Casual 4.8%
- #7 Coin Eruption
94% matchMostly Negative40% of 35 reviews2024
Dev: SolitarygroundsPub: Solitarygrounds Studios
Windows
Experience the thrill of a mountain-top coin pusher game in Coin Eruption! Drop coins, collect special upgrades, unlock rewards, and trigger epic volcano eruptions. Customize your game with avatars and backgrounds while leveling up through dynamic and exciting gameplay.
Why similar: Idler 31.7%, Point & Click 20.1%, Automation 17.6%, Clicker 16.9%, 3D 5.9%
- #8 Desktop Legends
92% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Crazy Bear Games
Windows
Desktop Legends is an idle desktop action game featuring fantasy character progression, incremental resource management, and visual customization. Help your hero take their legendary stand against the forces of darkness right on your desktop!
Why similar: Automation 25%, Idler 24.9%, Utilities 22.1% ★, Point & Click 12.4%, Clicker 5.6%
- #9 Black Cat Book Club
91% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Idea Garden Games
Windows
A magical library you can place on your desktop. Help the black cat study ancient tomes and learn spells in this cozy idle game.
Why similar: Idler 30.6%, Utilities 26.8% ★, Cozy 18.3%, Clicker 12%, Relaxing 6.9%
- #10 Aluminium City
91% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Hadamant
Windows
Crush empty cans and sell the aluminium, buy upgrades, automatic can presses, and robots to automatize and speed up your process, and pay off your debt.
Why similar: Automation 29.1%, Idler 28.5%, Clicker 15.2%, Point & Click 13.6%, 3D 4%
- #11 Cube Foundry
90% matchMixed40% of 43 reviews2026
Dev: Jabran
Windows
In the beginning was the Void. Then came the Click. Forge reality across generators, upgrades, minigames, and infinite NG+ cycles. Draw cards, brew potions, unravel cosmic lore, and ascend through the creation itself. The Architects are watching.
Why similar: Idler 36.3%, Automation 34.5%, Clicker 15.9%, 3D 4.2%, Relaxing 3.7%
- #12 Miner Clicker
89% matchMostly Positive71% of 21 reviews2025
Dev: Steldrift
Windows
Miner Clicker is a short idle indie game where you have to click to mine. Click to gather resources, reach new depths, and buy upgrades to dig faster and deeper! Who knows what you might find at the bottom of the mine!
Why similar: Idler 31.4%, Point & Click 23.7%, Automation 20.8%, Clicker 13.9%, Simulation 5.6%
- #13 DesktopSaurs
89% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Lemon Bread
Windows
Turn your desktop into a living prehistoric world. Dinosaurs roam along the bottom of your screen while you work, study, or browse. Collect, care for them, and grow your ecosystem over time.
Why similar: Dinosaurs 39.5% ★, Automation 22.3%, Idler 20.9%, Clicker 7.2%, Relaxing 4.7%
- #14 Meat Outdoors
88% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Light Island
Windows
Clicker game about cooking meat and recruit a variety of helping hands to collect your meat.
Why similar: Idler 32.1%, Automation 19%, Point & Click 18.9%, Clicker 17.7%, 3D 6%
- #15 Clickoin
87% matchMixed59% of 27 reviews2025
Dev: kee10roll
Windows
Click your way through Clickoin - a sleek clicker game where every coin press brings unique skins! Earn up to 4 steam drops per hour, unlock stunning visuals, and grow your collection with clever in-game mechanics.
Why similar: Idler 32.6%, Point & Click 21.3%, Clicker 18%, Automation 8.1%, 3D 6.6%
- #16 Bean
86% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Trash Game Studio
Windows
Welcome to Bean, the clicker game more addictive than cat videos! Click your way to bean glory, gathering beans faster than you can say "bean counter." Unlock mysterious inventory drops with golden beans, magic beans, or baked beans. Dive in and may the beans be ever in your flavor!
Why similar: Idler 32.7%, Automation 32.3%, Clicker 18.1%, Point & Click 12.8%, Casual 2.5%
- #17 Energy Collector
86% matchMostly Positive74% of 31 reviews2023
Dev: Jens Roderus
Windows
An idler about collecting energy. Automate the collection process, manage your resources by transferring them between fields and buy awesome upgrades. For what? To get more energy!
Why similar: Idler 42.7%, Automation 42.5%, Clicker 7.2%, Casual 3.6%, Indie 2.8%
- #18 Idle Looter
84% matchMixed54% of 38 reviews2025
Dev: CryCauseDry
Windows
Slay endless monsters for legendary loot. Master deep crafting and prestige systems to grow infinitely. Collect an army of companions and conquer the unknown. Do you have what it takes to become a hero?
Why similar: Idler 34.5%, Automation 21.3%, Point & Click 19.4%, Clicker 14.5%, Simulation 4.6%
- #19 Clicker Clicker Clicker
85% matchMixed66% of 93 reviews2024
Dev: EagleEye Games
Windows
Median: 12.9 hrsMean: 69.0 hrs≥1hr: 83%
Click on the cursor to receive clicker gold. Upgrade your clicks with your clicker gold. Click on the falling cursors to receive more clicker gold! Purchase projectiles in the shop that will clean out the falling cursors for you.
Why similar: Idler 26%, Automation 25.5%, Point & Click 14.6%, Clicker 12.1%, Cozy 11.3%
- #20 Berry Bounce
84% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Vapor Cat Games
Windows
In a world where berries are king and all products are made from some form of berry, you are an enterprising berry farmer, just starting out. Click, chain and collect berries to craft products and upgrade your berry farm!
Why similar: Idler 31.3%, Point & Click 26.2%, Clicker 16.2%, Automation 14.7%, Casual 5.6%
- #21 Flufftopia: Fluffmazing Edition by Daniel da Silva
82% matchPositive100% of 24 reviews2026
Dev: Daniel da SilvaPub: SmokeSomeFrogs
Windows · Linux
Flufftopia is a cute little clicker game with a story. Help your town to grow and eventually become Flufftopia! But wait… could there be even more?
Why similar: Idler 28.1%, Automation 22.9%, Cozy 15%, Clicker 14.4%, Point & Click 11.9%
- #22 Color Idle
83% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Benjamin StaugaardPub: Benzoft
Windows
Color Idle is a relaxing idle clicker where art paints itself! Click to color pixel art, complete quests, and unlock chapters of unique artwork. Earn gold, ascend for upgrades, recruit drones, and unlock hundreds of achievements as each masterpiece comes to life pixel by pixel.
Why similar: Idler 30.2%, Automation 20.3%, Point & Click 18.4%, Clicker 15.2%, Relaxing 6.9%
- #23 3D Printer Manager
81% matchMostly Positive76% of 46 reviews2026
Dev: Smushii
Windows · Mac · Linux
Start in a bedroom with one 3D printer and build a manufacturing empire! Manage filaments, upgrade machines, hire staff, and expand into a factory in this addictive idle tycoon game.
Why similar: Idler 33.4%, Automation 31.9%, Point & Click 13.7%, Clicker 13%, Casual 2.9%
- #24 Lawn Care Clicker Deluxe
82% matchNo user reviews2025
Dev: Aul Studios
Windows
Mow money, mow problems. Build your lawn empire, unlock wild upgrades, and find peace in the clippings in this absurd idle clicker-RPG adventure.
Why similar: Idler 33.4%, Point & Click 21.3%, Automation 18.2%, Clicker 18.1%, Relaxing 5.2%
- #25 Capybara Achievement Clicker
81% matchPositive100% of 13 reviews2025
Dev: JosephPub: WeirdCanyon
Windows
Capybara Achievement Clicker is a simple incremental and idle game. It features over a hundred easy-to-acquire achievements and a Capybara to click on.
Why similar: Idler 29.9%, Automation 28.6%, Point & Click 17.6%, Clicker 13.8%, Relaxing 4.6%
- #26 Coin Hoarder
79% match8 user reviews63% of 8 reviews2025
Dev: JLY Games
Windows
Click, collect, and ascend! Coin Hoarder is an addictive idle/incremental game in the spirit of Cookie Clicker and other greats, with endless upgrades, ascensions, and achievements.
Why similar: Idler 32.4%, Automation 27.2%, Clicker 17.6%, Point & Click 6.9%, Simulation 6.1%
- #27 Cookie Monster Clicker
80% match3 user reviews33% of 3 reviews2024
Dev: Comar Studios
Windows
Bake cookies endlessly and feed the monsters! Grow cookie monsters with powerful jaws by making strategic upgrades and hiring workers. Use the prestige system to speed up progress, unlock all upgrades, and enjoy the stunning visual feast!
Why similar: Idler 31.5%, Point & Click 23.3%, Automation 21.5%, Clicker 13.7%, Casual 5.8%
- #28 Dinosaurium
79% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Ahmet Babagil
Windows
Crack. Hatch. Roar. Extinction was never the end. Hatch and raise hundreds of unique dinosaurs through real-time growth in this cozy idle game. Your prehistoric park thrives with ancient giants, even while you work or study.
Why similar: Dinosaurs 41.8% ★, Idler 24.6%, Cozy 14%, Clicker 8.2%, Relaxing 4.8%
- #29 Desktop Slippers
78% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Siar Games
Windows
An oddly satisfying idle game that runs on your desktop. Let your slippers handle the bugs while you handle your work.
Why similar: Idler 29.2%, Utilities 24.2% ★, Cozy 17%, Clicker 10.6%, Relaxing 6.4%
- #30 Slime Co.
78% match3 user reviews67% of 3 reviews2025
Dev: Fruit Basket
Windows · Mac · Linux
Slime Co. is an idle game where you make slime! Buy and upgrade facilities that generate the raw ingredients to make slime, and facilities to make those ingredients into slime.
Why similar: Idler 30.8%, Automation 22.6%, Clicker 16.6%, Point & Click 13.5%, Relaxing 6.4%
- #31 LoFinosaurs
77% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Turtlebird Games
Windows
Experience the beauty of a vibrant world filled with colorful dinosaurs. Play as a dragonfly, recolor the surroundings, collect dinosaur nests, and discover scenic viewpoints in this handcrafted environment. Enjoy the journey at your own pace, whether actively exploring or in idle mode.
Why similar: Dinosaurs 42.7% ★, Idler 22.6%, Point & Click 12.9%, Clicker 11%, 3D 4%
- #32 BalloonBreaker
77% matchMixed68% of 25 reviews2024
Dev: NB Software
Windows
Welcome to Balloon Breaker, the addictive and exhilarating game that will keep you entertained for hours! Your mission is simple but challenging: inflate and pop as many balloons as possible using your trusty mouse. Enjoy your balloons!!!
Why similar: Idler 43.2%, Point & Click 34%, 3D 9.6%, Casual 8.1%, Singleplayer 2.7%
- #33 Maltese's Fluffy Onsen
74% matchVery Positive95% of 2,784 reviews2025
Dev: Sinkhole Studio
Windows · Mac
Median: 6.6 hrsMean: 28.8 hrs≥1hr: 79%
Run a bathhouse visited by animals! Maltese's Fluffy Onsen is a relaxing simulation game that you can enjoy while doing other tasks, as it sits at the bottom of your screen. Place baths with different temperatures and rest areas to help a variety of animal friends unwind.
Why similar: Automation 35.4%, Idler 31.5%, Cozy 9.6%, Point & Click 8.1%, Simulation 5.5%
- #34 ClickShot
76% matchMixed52% of 21 reviews2025
Dev: ApeXPloit Studios
Windows
Lock, Load, Click. A slick clicker game where every click pulls the trigger. Earn shells, unlock wild gun cosmetics, and stack permanent multipliers. Simple to play, hard to quit. Lock, load, and click your way to glory.
Why similar: Automation 34.5%, Idler 34.3%, Clicker 18.7%, Simulation 5.6%, Casual 4.2%
- #35 Feed Da King
76% match8 user reviews88% of 8 reviews2024
Dev: MON Studios LLC
Windows
An idle clicker game that features moments of active and passive play, with a dynamic window system that allows you to toggle the game on top of other applications and adjust it to your preference.
Why similar: Idler 43%, Automation 34%, Clicker 17.7%, Casual 2%, Indie 1.8%
- #36 Revolution Idle
72% matchVery Positive86% of 10,404 reviews2025
Dev: Oni Gaming
Windows
Median: 17.3 hrsMean: 167.6 hrs≥1hr: 83%
Join an experience where each revolution takes you further into the unknown! Revolution Idle challenges you to multiply your accumulators to reach unimaginable heights. Will you manage to reach infinity?
Why similar: Idler 41.9%, Automation 29.1%, Clicker 15.4%, Simulation 4.7%, Casual 3.4%
- #37 Click the block 点击方块
74% match4 user reviews100% of 4 reviews2025
Dev: Valois Kuai
Windows
Inspired by 'Cookie Clicker' This is my first game, I hope everyone likes it
Why similar: Idler 39.9%, Point & Click 25.7%, Clicker 22%, Relaxing 5.7%, Casual 5%
- #38 An Incremental Game About Placing Blocks
73% matchNo user reviews
Dev: _Taralis
Windows
A short incremental game about placing blocks and filling spaces.
Why similar: Idler 35.6%, Automation 21.2%, Clicker 19.4%, 3D 7.2%, Relaxing 6.6%
- #39 SUPER IDLE POOP CLICKER
71% match7 user reviews100% of 7 reviews2026
Dev: Forged By Ox
Windows
A goofy idle clicker about clicking poop and collecting farts, buying upgrades, and watching numbers get absolutely out of control.
Why similar: Idler 34.7%, Point & Click 26.4%, Automation 23.7%, Clicker 7.6%, Casual 6.4%
- #40 魔法桌宠 - MagicPet
71% match4 user reviews100% of 5 reviews2026
Dev: 你为啥直接commit到我的main分支啊Pub: 强制合并
Windows
Magic Desktop Pet is a free, open-source, and lightweight desktop companion that blends productivity with charm. More than just a mascot, she serves as a versatile terminal to streamline your workflow—helping you launch webpages, save snippets, and perform instant searches or translations.
Why similar: Utilities 34.3% ★, Automation 33.7%, Idler 26.6%, Casual 4%, Singleplayer 1.3%
- #41 Money Maker
75% match4 user reviews25% of 4 reviews2023
Dev: Rocco Gough
Windows
Embark on a journey to build the greatest empire ever known by simply clicking your mouse. Your goal is to amass as much wealth as possible, and you'll do so by starting small and gradually expanding your empire one click at a time.
Why similar: Idler 31.1%, Point & Click 25.2%, Automation 20.1%, Clicker 16.2%, Casual 4.4%
- #42 ZENith Break
73% matchNo user reviews2025
Dev: Akimochi Games
Windows
You can strive for peak efficiency by upgrading strategically, or simply enjoy the soothing sights and sounds. Find your own way to have fun.
Why similar: Idler 36.9%, Automation 32.3%, Relaxing 10.2%, 3D 6.8%, Casual 6.5%
- #43 Idle Factory
75% matchMixed57% of 47 reviews2022
Dev: okyakusamaPub: okyakusama
Windows
Idle can also build your industrial empire.
Why similar: Idler 30.5%, Automation 27.2%, Point & Click 16.4%, Clicker 13.5%, Relaxing 5.3%
- #44 Jurassic Gym
71% match7 user reviews100% of 7 reviews2025
Dev: Mega Dwarf
Windows
Run your own dinosaur gym on the bottom of your screen while you stay productive! Hatch new buddies, train them up, send them to competitions, and spend your winnings upgrading and customizing your Jurassic Gym.
Why similar: Idler 28.4%, Automation 23.4%, Dinosaurs 17.9% ★, Cozy 16.5%, Relaxing 4.3%
- #45 Universe Horizon
70% matchVery Positive89% of 217 reviews2025
Dev: Jarkem
Windows · Linux
An idle incremental game where you decide to travel across the whole Universe. Embark on this journey in your little ship and get as far away as possible from Earth, gathering resources and upgrading your spaceship along the way.
Why similar: Idler 31.4%, Automation 30.9%, Point & Click 17.7%, Clicker 14.3%, Simulation 2.4%
- #46 Idle Plant Game
72% matchMixed53% of 99 reviews2023
Dev: FootoftheHare
Windows
Idle Plant Game, an idle and offline progress or clicker plant simulation!
Why similar: Idler 33.9%, Automation 24.4%, Clicker 19%, Point & Click 13.4%, Simulation 4.8%
- #47 cube hits corner
70% match2 user reviews100% of 2 reviews2025
Dev: heartingNinja
Windows
A nostalgic, casual distraction inspired by The Office’s DVD logo scene. Track high scores while subtly influencing the bouncing image's direction. Perfect for meetings or class. Customize the visual by swapping in your own image or gif for a personal touch. Desktop can still be used while playing.
Why similar: Idler 37.4%, Utilities 27.2% ★, Point & Click 12.5%, Clicker 11.7%, Relaxing 6.9%
- #48 梅计划MeiErWo Plan
69% match7 user reviews71% of 7 reviews2025
Dev: 多003
Windows
This is a highly freeform idle game centered around placement mechanics—no need to wait through long periods during gameplay. Each game node unlocks new content, and you can choose one of six gameplay systems to start with, all sharing a single save file Early access version does not support English
Why similar: Idler 35.9%, Automation 32.8%, Clicker 12%, Point & Click 11.9%, Casual 2.8%
- #49 Push Push
69% matchNo user reviews
Dev: 1ceAgain
Windows
Push Push is a cute and relaxing idle balloon game! Pump balloons, unlock adorable cats, and collect all kinds of quirky pumps and animal companions. Perfect for quick breaks and stress relief.
Why similar: Idler 26.3%, Utilities 23.1% ★, Automation 18%, Point & Click 14%, Clicker 9.9%
- #50 Future Fortune
73% matchMixed49% of 102 reviews2021
Dev: Type TenPub: Type Ten Studios
Windows
Future Fortune is an incremental/idle game featuring big numbers, a multi-layer prestige system, a milestone reward system, multiple upgrade shops, and much more!
Why similar: Idler 31.8%, Automation 27.1%, Point & Click 16.8%, Clicker 14.5%, Simulation 4.7%
- #51 Bloodless Heart
68% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Jarkem
Windows · Linux
Squeeze the heart, gain elements and eventually synthesize your own blood. In this incremental game, every organ (not only your heart) matters. Use their synergies to achieve your ultimate bloody goal.
Why similar: Idler 31.3%, Automation 27.4%, Point & Click 20.6%, Clicker 16.9%, Indie 1.8%
- #52 Dino Girls
68% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Kimu Studios
Windows · Mac
Discover and collect cute Dino Girls, organize their activities, and expand your resort while going about your daily stuff.
Why similar: Dinosaurs 32.5% ★, Idler 27.7%, Automation 27.1%, Relaxing 5.1%, Simulation 4.1%
- #53 gate2up
69% matchNo user reviews2025
Dev: Gensou
Windows
This is a simple idle clicker game. Grow your item collection using points and strive to reach the ultimate goal of 99,999,999 points!
Why similar: Idler 40.4%, Automation 23.7%, Clicker 22.4%, 3D 5.7%, Casual 3.3%
- #54 Mercie and the Fairies
68% matchNo user reviews
Dev: koreanois
Windows
Start with a broken phone... and follow Mercie, a lazy witch, as she juggles fairies, weird upgrades and a cauldron that turns anything into everything! Brew all kinds of stuff and embrace the cozy chaos in this offbeat incremental idle game
Why similar: Idler 30.4%, Automation 29.5%, Cozy 16.9%, Clicker 10.8%, Relaxing 4.9%
- #55 Pixel Clicker
67% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: MaxGameDev
Windows
A pixel art-style clicker game where you tap to blast pixels and bosses, upgrade, automate, and travel through diverse biomes, from lush jungles to the far reaches of space, all wrapped in an immersive soundscape. Climb the leaderboard and become the ultimate pixel boss.
Why similar: Idler 33.6%, Automation 33.3%, Clicker 21.7%, Relaxing 4.5%, Casual 4.1%
- #56 Peel a banana
67% match4 user reviews100% of 4 reviews2025
Dev: KaKrno
Windows
Welcome to the simplest yet most oddly satisfying game you'll play today! All you have to do is click to peel a banana layer by layer. Once a banana is fully peeled, it counts as 1 banana. Then it's on to the next one—no breaks, no limits, just endless peeling action!
Why similar: Idler 31.1%, Automation 29.2%, Point & Click 25.4%, Casual 8.6%, Singleplayer 3.3%
- #57 Last $50
67% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Adagio Games
Windows
Build a drug empire with your last $50. Buy production, upgrade it, and hire workers to automate.
Why similar: Automation 32.3%, Idler 26.1%, Clicker 15.9%, Point & Click 11.8%, Relaxing 5.8%
- #58 Super Ant Art Tycoon
65% matchMostly Positive70% of 10 reviews2026
Dev: Wix Games
Windows · Mac
You’re an art dealer with nothing but ants. They paint. You set the prices. Sometimes it sells, sometimes it doesn’t. Grow your colony, design galleries, and become absurdly wealthy in this fully remastered 3D idle tycoon game where the artists are tiny and the ambition is enormous
Why similar: Idler 27.1%, Automation 23.2%, Point & Click 14.1%, Clicker 13.8%, Relaxing 6%
- #59 Grind & Grind Company
67% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: nontick Inc.
Windows · Mac
Your partner washes cars in a small corner of your desktop only while you're focused. Turn your productive time into a growing collection of cars.
Why similar: Idler 34.5%, Utilities 32.1% ★, Clicker 18.9%, Relaxing 6.4%, Casual 4.5%
- #60 Home Office Simulator
70% match7 user reviews43% of 7 reviews2023
Dev: BigFrog Studios
Windows · Linux
Home Office Simulator is a relaxing and cute simulator game about the experience of a girl called Ayame, working remotely. Part of the game is to keep Ayame free from distractions and keep her focused.
Why similar: Automation 35.9%, Idler 35.5%, Clicker 19.3%, Casual 3.7%, Simulation 3%