- #1 Monster Forest 怪物森林
97% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Shay_SH
Windows
Assemble your own band of adventurers and gather a deck of cards that suits you. Fight! Survive!
Why similar: Trading Card Game 25.7% ★, Card Game 24.2%, Strategy 21.8%, Roguelike 13.8%, RPG 5.7%
- #2 Another Where
96% match3 user reviews100% of 3 reviews2025
Dev: Milone RobertoPub: GameDevIta
Windows
A card-based roguelike adventure with mystery and investigation. Explore strange worlds, gather powerful cards, and build your deck to overcome unexpected challenges. Every run is a new story. Game accessible even to younger audiences.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 34.4% ★, Card Game 23%, RPG 22.4%, Strategy 14.4%, Deckbuilding 5.4%
- #3 Tarot
95% match1 user reviews100% of 2 reviews2026
Dev: Knights of Terminus
Windows
Tarot is a Rouge-like deck builder themed around the Major and Minor Arcana of the Tarot.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 36.3% ★, Card Game 19.7%, RPG 13.3%, Strategy 12.6%, Roguelike 10.7%
- #4 Cyber Quest
94% matchPositive100% of 10 reviews2024
Dev: Super Punch Games
Windows · Mac
Cyber Quest is a roguelike deck-building game where you pit your crew against the toughest gangs in the city. Assemble your team, gather weapons, and restore order.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 23.2% ★, Card Game 21.1%, RPG 19.3%, Strategy 18.7%, Roguelike 12%
- #5 GWENT: The Witcher Card Game
94% matchVery Positive86% of 27,364 reviews2020
Dev: CD PROJEKT RED
Windows
Median: 2.2 hrsMean: 59.0 hrs≥1hr: 68%
Command mighty Witcher-world heroes in epic online PvP card battles!
Why similar: Card Game 35.7%, Trading Card Game 22.6% ★, Strategy 20.3%, RPG 14.8%, Deckbuilding 6.4%
- #6 Arcanard
93% matchPositive80% of 10 reviews2025
Dev: Normal Game Company
Windows
Enter the mystical world of Arcanard, a roguelike deck-building card game set in a universe shaped by nine powerful elements—Strike, Fire, Water, Ice, Earth, Wind, Electro, Holy, Dark, and Chrono. Assemble your deck, master elemental synergies, and face unpredictable challenges!
Why similar: Trading Card Game 40.3% ★, Strategy 26.1%, Roguelike 16.8%, RPG 8.1%, Multiple Endings 4.7%
- #7 DRAKERZ-Confrontation
92% matchMixed52% of 259 reviews2014
Dev: Peoleo Entertainment
Windows
Median: 1.1 hrsMean: 10.6 hrs≥1hr: 52%
The Trading Card Game in Augmented Reality.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 36.4% ★, Card Game 35.5%, Strategy 25.8%, Indie 2.3%
- #8 Astral Heroes
91% matchMixed70% of 336 reviews2016
Dev: Apus Software
Windows
Median: 2.8 hrsMean: 16.8 hrs≥1hr: 69%
Astral Heroes is a Collectible Card Game that's simple to learn, exciting to play, and deep enough to challenge even the greatest strategists. It's the spiritual sequel to our older game, Astral Masters, which still enjoys a loyal following over ten years after its release!
Why similar: Trading Card Game 40.1% ★, Card Game 30.8%, Strategy 26.3%, Indie 2.9%
- #9 Global Conflict - The Trading Card Game
91% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Studio 37
Windows
BUILD, BATTLE, and CONQUER your way to victory in Global Conflict - The Trading Card Game! Assemble decks with strategic precision and engage in fierce turn-based battles against rival factions. Each move and decision will shape the course of the game, offering endless challenges and triumphs.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 43.2% ★, Card Game 23%, Strategy 19.1%, Deckbuilding 7.3%, War 7.1%
- #10 Conjury
90% matchPositive97% of 37 reviews2023
Dev: Super Punch Games
Windows · Mac
Collect cards, weapons, and items as you make your way through this fast-paced deck building rogue-like to escape the eternal darkness of Lumtham woods.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 27.9% ★, Card Game 22.8%, Roguelike 13.6%, RPG 12.8%, Strategy 12.3%
- #11 Parallel
89% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Parallel Studios
Windows
Earth, 10,000 years in the future. Five parallel evolutions of humanity fight for control of the planet they once called home. Pick a faction, build a deck, and battle your peers from around the world for control over Earth and the ultimate source of power in the galaxy.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 40.3% ★, Card Game 26.1%, Strategy 25.4%, Deckbuilding 8.2%
- #12 Echovale
89% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Curry On Rice
Windows · Mac
Collect, upgrade, and relax! As you gain more and more cards, you'll be able to upgrade any duplicates you have. Any cards you earn are yours forever! And in your downtime, why not make friends with all the townspeople?
Why similar: Trading Card Game 49.7% ★, Strategy 19.4%, Card Game 13.4%, RPG 9.4%, Deckbuilding 3.9%
- #13 Animation Throwdown: The Quest for Cards
88% matchMostly Positive74% of 4,123 reviews2017
Dev: Synapse GamesPub: Kongregate
Windows
Median: 2.2 hrsMean: 64.1 hrs≥1hr: 63%
Family Guy, Bob's Burgers, Futurama, American Dad, King of the Hill, and Archer join forces in Animation Throwdown, your favorite new collectible card game. Collect your favorite characters, combine cards to make hilarious combos, and battle your way through an adventure of animated proportions.
Why similar: Card Game 37.6%, Trading Card Game 26.5% ★, Strategy 18.8%, RPG 11.8%, Comedy 4.3%
- #14 Nightmares
87% matchNo user reviews
Dev: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/NightmaresCardGaming
Windows · Mac
Nightmares is a combination of a classic collectible card game and a roguelike deck builder. Race against the clock to defeat your opponent before your sanity runs out. Win or lose, you'll get the opportunity to upgrade your deck. Can you craft the ultimate deck for an undefeated run?
Why similar: Trading Card Game 35.5% ★, Card Game 25.3%, Strategy 23.5%, Deckbuilding 6.3%, Roguelike 5.9%
- #15 Card'em All!
86% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Vampirie Eleison
Windows
Trapped in ages-long slumber, fight trough timelines of nightmares to defeat your fears and assemble a mighty deck to face your ultimate challenge and finally awake! Surviving through each defeat, your deck grows stronger and stronger, bringing you one step closer to victory.
Why similar: Card Game 32.8%, Strategy 32.6%, Roguelike 18.3%, Deckbuilding 10.1%, 2D 4.2%
- #16 疾风猎人-上线送V10,超变独家版本
86% matchMixed55% of 29 reviews2023
Dev: 疾风猎人运营团队
Windows
《疾风猎人-福利版》上线送V10+百万钻石+无限抽奖 礼包一:钻石*1000,装备之匙*5,坐骑培养石*5…; 礼包二:钻石*1000,装备之匙*5,坐骑培养石*5…; 礼包三:钻石*1000,异界召唤券*1,传说宝玉*5…; 更多免费礼包请通过下方联系方式添加客服领取。
Why similar: Trading Card Game 28.6% ★, Card Game 20.9%, Strategy 14%, RPG 13%, Roguelike 12.6%
- #17 Chelesste
85% matchNo user reviews
Dev: str4nger
Windows
Embark on an epic journey where chess meets magic and digital card games in Chelesste! Engage in battles on a mystical chessboard as you command powerful cards. Strategize and outwit your opponents in this thrilling blend of strategy, card gameplay, and chess-inspired tactics.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 50.2% ★, Card Game 25%, Strategy 21.6%, 2D 3.2%
- #18 NOVEMS
84% matchVery Positive88% of 51 reviews2025
Dev: MediaLabGames
Windows
Cut open your destiny with 9 cards! Master strategy in a turn-based roguelike auto-battler. Collect cards and survive battles by utilizing 'placement' and 'linking' mechanics.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 45.5% ★, Card Game 22.4%, Strategy 17.9%, Roguelike 12.8%, Indie 0.9%
- #19 Against the Horde
84% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Sandworm Entertainment
Windows
A roguelike deckbuilder where you can customise your deck with thousands of unique cards. Upgrade, draft, and buy new cards, and use powerful items on a unique battlefield that favours battlefield movement and card play. Master the five factions and stand Against the Horde.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 32% ★, Card Game 24.4%, Strategy 22.1%, Roguelike 14.3%, Deckbuilding 3.7%
- #20 Dungeon Hunger
83% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Whiteverse
Windows · Mac · Linux
"Dungeon Hunger" blends RPG, card strategy & Roguelite in a medieval pixel world. Explore random dungeons, manage hunger/stamina, and build decks to steal enemy skills or summon allies. Fail = lose all loot. Uncover conspiracies in Bonny Town. High replayability for deckbuilders.
Why similar: Card Game 27.1%, Trading Card Game 24.3% ★, RPG 18.3%, Strategy 14.9%, Roguelike 7.6%
- #21 Monsters & Magics: Digital Card Game
82% match1 user reviews100% of 1 reviews2025
Dev: Vestri the Dwarf
Windows · Linux
Battle against your friends online or computer controlled enemies in this digital card game. Play with the unique Summoning mechanic while the Action point system keep turns short and impactful. Unlock new cards by playing to build decks with varied strategies.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 39.7% ★, Card Game 26.3%, Strategy 23.7%, Deckbuilding 5.5%, 2D 3.5%
- #22 GoSifu(师傅快出招)
81% matchNo user reviews
Dev: OldBone
Windows
is a personal indie work of roguelike turn-based card strategy. You will lead Masters with unique abilities, collect various skills, then sort, combine, and upgrade them. Defeat one powerful enemy after another in turn-based battles with auto-battle functionality.
Why similar: Strategy 26.5%, Card Game 26.1%, RPG 22.9%, Roguelike 15%, Deckbuilding 5.6%
- #23 Figures Of Heroes
81% match1 user reviews100% of 1 reviews2023
Dev: Missiles are Magic
Windows
The owner has been missing for some time, the other toys and game characters have grown restless. In search for answers the ancient texts were found and they are sparking adventure in the toys, they go to battle to find answers and delve in the owners realm further.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 43.6% ★, Card Game 29.1%, RPG 26.8%, Singleplayer 0.6%
- #24 Another World Quest
80% matchMostly Positive79% of 24 reviews2022
Dev: 绝不可能的异世界企划委员会
Windows
The painting run group project derived card game "AnotherWorldQuest".It tells the story of a group of travellers to the other world and in the face of disaster.The game itself is similar to "Hearthstone" kind of card game, has a complete battle, collection, card draw function, etc..
Why similar: Trading Card Game 39.2% ★, Card Game 28.6%, Strategy 28.2%, 2D 3.5%, Singleplayer 0.5%
- #25 Journey of Greed
79% matchVery Positive89% of 1,325 reviews2019
Dev: Dird GamesPub: XD
Windows · Mac
Median: 3.2 hrsMean: 8.5 hrs≥1hr: 88%
This is a perfect hybrid of social board game and strategy card game. Steal, set traps, assassinate, escape, mind games... Compete online with three other players at each adventure and use every mean possible to gain the most coins.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 39% ★, Strategy 29.5%, Card Game 28.5%, Indie 3%
- #26 Cardaire
78% matchVery Positive90% of 52 reviews2024
Dev: aeiou
Windows
Explore, collect, and build sweet decks. Cardaire is a single-player collectible card RPG. Adventure awaits in the Duelist Frontier, so crack some packs and bring your best deck to take on the challenge.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 35.4% ★, Card Game 22.9%, RPG 15.6%, Strategy 11.9%, Deckbuilding 7.2%
- #27 猫咪牌 Meow Cards
79% matchNo user reviews
Dev: LazzyCat
Windows
Meow Cards is a cat-themed strategic card game. Collect feline cards with unique abilities, build your very own Meow Cards deck, and climb to the top—together with your cats! Meow~
Why similar: Trading Card Game 34% ★, Card Game 27.2%, Roguelike 15%, Strategy 14.8%, Deckbuilding 5.4%
- #28 Yu-Gi-Oh! EARLY DAYS COLLECTION
77% matchMostly Positive77% of 447 reviews2025
Dev: Digital EclipsePub: KONAMI
Windows
Median: 3.6 hrsMean: 28.4 hrs≥1hr: 76%
Yu-Gi-Oh! EARLY DAYS COLLECTION is packed with classic Yu-Gi-Oh! games from the very early days of Dueling — bursting with retro RPGs and strategic card games with beloved anime characters!
Why similar: Card Game 30.4%, Trading Card Game 26.9% ★, Strategy 19.7%, RPG 17.2%, Deckbuilding 5.3%
- #29 Silberheim Evolving Card Game
78% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Beyond Worlds GmbH
Windows · Mac · Linux
Silberheim Evolving Card Game is a highly complex CCG with rich lore and customizable cards. Discover your own path to harnessing the magical resource Flux and unlock new memory fragments (cards) to prove yourself in the mystical world of Silberheim.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 39.6% ★, Card Game 26.3%, Strategy 23.9%, Deckbuilding 6.5%, 2D 3.4%
- #30 Swords, Arrows & Shields
76% match3 user reviews100% of 3 reviews2026
Dev: Mocq Games
Windows · Mac
Swords, Arrows & Shields is a 2D card game that introduces a unique set of rules, in which luck and strategy intertwine within a tarot-inspired theme. Your goal is to outscore your opponent after 10 rounds by forming sets of Major Arcana cards with matching colors.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 36.9% ★, Card Game 28.1%, Strategy 25.2%, Deckbuilding 5.9%, 2D 2.8%
- #31 Castlehold
77% matchMostly Positive73% of 89 reviews2021
Dev: 5TH Cell
Windows
Castlehold is an innovative competitive strategy game, featuring the new Active Resource Control (ARC) System. Build your Army, lead your troops into Battle and see how you stack up against your opponent in fast-paced, strategic combat.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 44% ★, Card Game 21.4%, Strategy 14.6%, Deckbuilding 8.3%, RPG 6.5%
- #32 Jaro TCG
74% match9 user reviews78% of 9 reviews2025
Dev: Devour LabsPub: Santiago Peniza Amoros
Windows
Juega ya mismo a Jaro TCG. Enfréntate a tus amigos invitándolos con un código y que gane el mejor.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 43.4% ★, Card Game 28.9%, Strategy 27.8%
- #33 Card Gauntlet
75% matchNo user reviews2025
Dev: Figure 9
Windows · Mac
Take on the Card Gauntlet! Pick one of 6 Specializations, each with its own set of unique skill cards to collect and build a totally unique deck. Fight monsters, roll the dice, and triumph!
Why similar: Trading Card Game 35.9% ★, Card Game 27.7%, Strategy 25.4%, Stylized 5.7%, Deckbuilding 4.9%
- #34 Echo of Equilibrium
73% matchPositive81% of 16 reviews2025
Dev: UltraGloria Works
Windows
无需构筑牌组,回归卡牌桌游原初的乐趣与节奏感!非竞技,比输赢更重要的是一起玩!
Why similar: Trading Card Game 37.3% ★, Card Game 30%, Strategy 21%, Historical 6.2%, Deckbuilding 2.9%
- #35 The Lost Throne 失落的王座
74% matchNo user reviews
Dev: shiva game
Windows
"The Lost Throne" is a trading card game with great world settings. We will be developing other modes like tournament system, single PVE, co-op PVE, special PVP and so on.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 46.2% ★, Card Game 27.1%, Strategy 13.8%, Deckbuilding 10.6%, Stylized 2.1%
- #36 Cards & Crystals
75% matchPositive100% of 15 reviews2020
Dev: Falko Michael Kötter
Windows
Match3 meets Trading Card Game! Collect cards, level up your heroes, and build decks to defeat your foes in this fast-paced puzzle/strategy game.
Why similar: Strategy 36.3%, RPG 34.4%, Trading Card Game 13.9% ★, Card Game 10.9%, Indie 4.2%
- #37 OPA: Super Janken
73% matchMixed69% of 16 reviews2025
Dev: DropSoftOPA
Windows
A reimagining of the classic Rock-Paper-Scissors to make it more competitive and engaging. Collect the cards and boost your score by facing increasingly stronger opponents.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 32.9% ★, Card Game 25.4%, Strategy 23.4%, Roguelike 14.8%, 2D 2.6%
- #38 Warmongers
72% match5 user reviews100% of 5 reviews2025
Dev: Good Game Studio
Windows
This game contains no Pay to Win. Warmongers is a turn by turn card game that contains over 340 unique Cards. You control Creatures, Magics and Equipment to win against enemy players. In full 3d with visual effects for every Card!
Why similar: Trading Card Game 27.8% ★, Card Game 22.9%, Strategy 21.4%, RPG 18.6%, Stylized 4.8%
- #39 Spellweaver
73% matchMostly Positive74% of 1,380 reviews2016
Dev: Dream Reactor
Windows
Median: 1.0 hrsMean: 14.0 hrs≥1hr: 51%
Spellweaver is a free-to-play digital card game true to the classics of the genre, adding in several unique features for a new and fresh gameplay experience. With a focus of strategic depth and variety, it offers endless hours of fun in casual or AI matches, ranked play, drafts, and tournaments!
Why similar: Card Game 44.2%, Trading Card Game 36% ★, Strategy 18.1%, Indie 1.7%
- #40 피크? 삐끗!(Peak? Slip!)
71% matchPositive100% of 15 reviews2026
Dev: Team :락 n RockPub: 락 n Rock
Windows
A stylish card game combined with rhythm-based action. Don’t wait for your turn — stay in the fight at all times.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 29.9% ★, Strategy 22.1%, Card Game 20.9%, Roguelike 20.4%, 2D 4.8%
- #41 Decks
71% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Tomas Engelthaler
Windows
Collect cards, build powerful decks, and embark on real-time expeditions with your friends. Play through 1-2 player quests, 4 player raids or get competitive against other deckbuilders on the PvP ladder.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 34% ★, Strategy 33.9%, RPG 32.1%
- #42 Card Crawl
71% matchMostly Positive77% of 183 reviews2018
Dev: Arnold Rauers
Windows · Mac
Card Crawl is a solitaire style Dungeon Crawler played with a deck of cards.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 30.6% ★, Card Game 24.6%, Strategy 13.6%, RPG 10%, Deckbuilding 9.7%
- #43 雀道 Mahjong Route
70% matchNo user reviews
Dev: V我15赞助薄荷糖一袋
Windows
Mahjong Route is a mahjong-themed card roguelike game. Enter the card hall and play special mahjong games against a variety of opponents, buy powerful and suitable Wan Nian tiles, and don't forget to replenish your blood on the way.
Why similar: Card Game 37.2%, Strategy 26.8%, Roguelike 20.1%, Deckbuilding 10.1%, 2D 4.2%
- #44 Deck Forge (Mad Gate)
70% matchNo user reviews
Dev: DeckForge
Windows · Mac
Deckforge is the first digital card game platform. The MadGate is our first game available on Deckforge. Based on the popular new "Voyce me" series, you control adventurers and monsters alike in an epic clash of heroes and villains.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 38% ★, Card Game 25.1%, Strategy 23.2%, Stylized 5.5%, Deckbuilding 4.8%
- #45 Shadow Era
70% matchMostly Positive77% of 70 reviews2022
Dev: Wulven Game Studios
Windows
Shadow Era is the full scale, cross-platform collectible trading card game that you've been looking for, with the most generous free to play system out there! Enjoy the amazing dark fantasy artwork in a card game where strategy is most important.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 48.7% ★, Card Game 20.8%, Strategy 19.9%, Deckbuilding 10.2%, Singleplayer 0.4%
- #46 Cardfight!! Vanguard Dear Days 2
68% matchMostly Positive70% of 575 reviews2025
Dev: FURYU CorporationPub: Bushiroad Inc.
Windows
"Cardfight!! Vanguard," has newly come to digital game! Over 3,000 cards for the Standard format! A brand-new original story shares the world of anime series unfolds! Enjoy your own cardfight experience!!
Why similar: Trading Card Game 36.1% ★, Card Game 24.6%, Strategy 16.9%, RPG 15.5%, Deckbuilding 3.7%
- #47 Creature Tamer
69% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Shadow Form Games
Windows
Creature Tamer is a point-and-click deck-builder with roguelite elements. In it, you acquire allies as you travel through the most hostile regions of this world. Use your creatures and resources wisely to keep moving forward, and if you are defeated, spend your spoils to come back stronger.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 27.3% ★, Card Game 24.3%, Strategy 23.1%, RPG 20.1%, Deckbuilding 2.4%
- #48 Magic: The Gathering Arena
67% matchMixed62% of 27,376 reviews2023
Dev: Wizards of the Coast LLC
Windows · Mac
Median: 6.3 hrsMean: 89.5 hrs≥1hr: 81%
Magic: The Gathering Arena empowers you to discover your strategy, meet the planeswalkers, explore the multiverse, and battle friends around the world. Start playing for free, challenge your friends, unlock cards, and feel the magic of the original fantasy CCG!
Why similar: Trading Card Game 40.1% ★, Card Game 31.8%, Strategy 18.6%, Deckbuilding 9.6%
- #49 One Last Dungeon
69% matchPositive80% of 10 reviews2020
Dev: Thawmus
Windows · Mac
One Last Dungeon is a turn based, rogue-like, deck builder, RPG all rolled into one. Choose between 3 characters, draft a starting deck and be on your way to destroying hordes of enemies.
Why similar: Card Game 29.3%, Strategy 21.8%, RPG 21.7%, Roguelike 19.6%, Deckbuilding 4%
- #50 Collect Call
69% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Somewhere Else
Windows
Hoard plastic, spill blood. Inhabit the mind of an android and ply your steel to shred flesh and snap wires. Evolve, adapt, and scalpel away your limitations in this cyberpunk deckbuilder.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 24.7% ★, Card Game 22.3%, RPG 18.8%, Strategy 18.4%, Roguelike 13.2%
- #51 皇帝游戏:天下-皇游天下
65% matchVery Positive96% of 245 reviews2026
Dev: OTTOCOM
Windows
《皇帝游戏》是一款将皇帝扮演与卡牌构筑相结合的roguelike游戏,在这款游戏中,在这里,您将穿越时空化身千古帝王,亲自执掌乾坤,打造您独一无二的能臣良将班底,亲自排兵布阵,合纵连横。运筹帷幄之中,决胜千里之外。是宵衣旰食开创盛世,还是酒池肉林沦为昏君,都在您的一念之间!
Why similar: Card Game 29.1%, Strategy 18%, Roguelike 16%, Deckbuilding 13.7%, Historical 9.8%
- #52 Eclectic Deck
67% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Rir.ie
Windows
Eclectic Deck is a deckbuilder roguelike. Play cards to unlock combos, earn points, and win the game in a simple yet hard to master game.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 27.3% ★, Card Game 25.1%, Strategy 20.4%, Roguelike 13.5%, Deckbuilding 11.1%
- #53 Temperia: Soul of Majestic
66% matchVery Positive86% of 462 reviews2022
Dev: MoonWolf Entertainment
Windows
Temperia: Soul of Majestic is strategic competitive online card game. Quick, strategic and totally open-handed, every match is different from others thanks to the abilities of the creatures, the equipment, the powers and the elemental spaces presented in the board.
Why similar: Trading Card Game 34% ★, Card Game 26.1%, Strategy 19.9%, RPG 10.9%, Deckbuilding 9%
- #54 Cardaire: Eternal Aces
67% matchNo user reviews
Dev: aeiou
Windows · Mac
Get ready to crack packs and throw cards in Cardaire: Eternal Aces, a single-player collectible card RPG! Explore a unique world, hunt down powerful cards, and build the deck that'll make you a Cardaire legend.
Why similar: Card Game 29.7%, Trading Card Game 28.4% ★, RPG 20.6%, Deckbuilding 8.6%, Strategy 8.1%