- #1 OH! MOCHI!
97% match8 user reviews75% of 8 reviews2021
Dev: Ajuda Co.,Ltd.
Windows
OH! MOCHI! is a comical action fighting game.Strange rice cakes rampage in Japan! Spin around your Mochi's head! Defeat all! Aim for the strongest Mochi!!
Why similar: 3D Fighter 27.4%, Funny 17.1%, Multiplayer 15.4%, 3D Platformer 12.1%, Third Person 10.7%
- #2 Dum Game
96% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Oneix
Windows
Experience the exhilaration of Dum Game, a competitive multiplayer party sensation! Outmatch your rivals in thrilling rounds to claim victory and become the ultimate champion.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 31.5%, Massively Multiplayer 23.1%, 3D Platformer 15%, Third Person 13%, 3D 8%
- #3 Ktrl Smash
96% matchMixed71% of 14 reviews2025
Dev: FIFTYFIVE GAMING STUDIO PRIVATE LIMITED
Windows
Ktrl Smash is a fast-paced multiplayer arena game where anything can become a weapon. Pick your fighter, grab bats, baseballs, or even chairs, collect stat boosts, and fight to get the most kills before time runs out. Stay alert, keep moving, and defeat as many players as you can.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 38.5%, 3D Platformer 15.9%, Third Person 12.5%, Cartoony 8.9%, 3D 8.6%
- #4 Boundaries
95% matchNo user reviews2025
Dev: DW
Windows
Boundary is a game of building fences and taking up land. Get more land by purchasing goods from stores!
Why similar: 3D Fighter 41.1%, 3D Platformer 19.2%, 3D 11.8%, Strategy 10.6%, Multiplayer 8.2%
- #5 BRAINROT MEME PARTY
94% matchNo user reviews
Dev: GameRoad
Windows
The party starts now! Challenge your friends in wild meme modes where the most unpredictable wins. Play up to 16 players, get a unique character per mode and vote for the next after it ends. This is the ultimate game for non-stop laughs and total chaos!
Why similar: Funny 17.3%, Multiplayer 16.9%, Third Person 16.6%, Massively Multiplayer 15.1%, 3D Platformer 14.3%
- #6 Bob
94% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Spehkeee
Windows
You are Bob, a floppy ragdoll, gain strength by knocking out enemy 'Bobs'. Use your strength to take on bigger 'Bobs' and knock them down with your fists or any object you find on the ground. (Or just throw the 'Bob' off the edge of the map) Defeat the final Bob and unlock new levels and game modes.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 43.7%, 3D Platformer 19.5%, Funny 13.1%, Cartoony 11.9%, 3D 11.8%
- #7 JungleBoys
92% match4 user reviews60% of 5 reviews2025
Dev: Lucas Attias
Windows
Enter the jungle to fight for your survival in this local splitscreen showdown. Heal up, collect items to use in combat, and look for other players to fight in custom lobbies with friends. Last player standing wins. Gameplay in the jungle supports Xbox controller use for up to 4 players.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 42.1%, Third Person 19.4%, 3D 12.5%, Realistic 10.9%, Multiplayer 8.4%
- #8 Ka: Keepers & Assassins
93% matchNo user reviews2023
Dev: Martin HusarPub: Drasticore
Windows
Ka: Keepers & Assassins is dark fantasy multiplayer 3rd person battle arena game, 4 players against each other. Collect three crystals in a certain time and get them to the center of the Arena, in the meantime it is necessary to find better gear against the opponents.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 35.2%, Third Person 17.9%, Massively Multiplayer 16.6%, 3D Platformer 15.9%, Multiplayer 8.2%
- #9 Bazar Simulator Online
91% match5 user reviews100% of 5 reviews2025
Dev: Pigeon-G
Windows
Bazar Simulator takes you to Boquerón City, where you will help Wan manage her uncle Wang Long's bazaar with your friends in a cooperative game. Customize your store in a game full of humor and action in this unique simulator.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 38.6%, Simulation 16.8%, Third Person 14.5%, 3D 10.8%, Funny 10.2%
- #10 Galaxy Guardian Royale
91% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Bl0ckDave
Windows · Mac · Linux
Hi folks, its me Bl0ckDave, for those who don't know me, I'm solo game developer and this is my very first game! This game takes place in space, its classical Battle Royale mode. 50 players joining battle around solar system. Last player wins.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 34.6%, Massively Multiplayer 30.2%, Third Person 14.6%, 3D 9.5%, Multiplayer 6%
- #11 XPELLIT
90% matchNo user reviews
Dev: XPELLGAMES
Windows
XPELLIT is a multiplayer game, have fun playing alone or find new friends. Navigate dungeons, collect Xpellitems, battle other players, and relax in an open world.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 32.6%, Massively Multiplayer 23.8%, Third Person 15.4%, Funny 10.7%, Artificial Intelligence 7.9%
- #12 11 Doors - Escape From Prison
89% match1 user reviews50% of 2 reviews2025
Dev: EpOoV
Windows
Escape from 11 prison doors. When the player wakes up from sleep, he goes to the gym to do some exercise, then goes to the restaurant to boost his health, then goes to the factory to work, there you must make keys so you can escape.
Why similar: Simulation 23.7%, 3D Platformer 22.2%, Third Person 22.2%, Strategy 18.6%, 3D 13.3%
- #13 YEKO
89% matchMixed48% of 31 reviews2026
Dev: BEGA Game Studio
Windows
Ever said, “Let me finish this hand, then I can die”? We did and took our gaming addiction to the afterlife. Yeko tells the absurd tale of skeletons who couldn’t get enough of Okey in life and now set up the table beyond the grave low on calcium, but never on competitive spirit.
Why similar: Multiplayer 19.4%, Third Person 18.2%, Funny 18.1%, 3D 11.1%, PvP 10.4%
- #14 Bob Fight
88% matchPositive95% of 20 reviews2024
Dev: Objectif 3D
Windows
BobFight is a hilarious party game for 2 to 4 players where you play as quirky characters in a series of chaotic mini-games. Take on your friends in uproarious challenges, earn crowns, and become the undisputed king of the party! Who will be the last Bob standing? Find out in BobFight!
Why similar: 3D Fighter 29.8%, Funny 24%, Multiplayer 18.7%, PvP 14.3%, 3D Platformer 13.2%
- #15 Sinkie Soldiers
87% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Sam
Windows
Keep control of the castle, but more importantly: your armour.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 33.7%, 3D Platformer 17.7%, Third Person 17.4%, 3D 9.8%, PvP 9%
- #16 Cabbagers
86% matchPositive89% of 19 reviews2022
Dev: Defunct Horizon
Windows
Cabbagers is a multiplayer combat game with a crazy humor.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 42.5%, Third Person 14%, 3D 12.6%, Cartoony 12%, Funny 9.8%
- #17 Object Wars
86% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Vedg Studio
Windows · Mac · Linux
Dive into Object Wars, a fast-paced TPS where everyday objects come to life for crazy miniature battles! Choose your unique object and jump into fun, chaotic, dynamic, and vertical combat across diverse game modes and maps.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 26.2%, Massively Multiplayer 26.1%, Third Person 14.2%, Multiplayer 8.5%, Funny 8.2%
- #18 Multiplayer Vikings
84% match2 user reviews50% of 2 reviews2024
Dev: Archor WrightPub: Archor Games
Windows
Multiplayer Vikings - The village is under attack, grab Your sword and go get 'em! (Multiplayer or Single Player)
Why similar: 3D Fighter 37.8%, Massively Multiplayer 37.4%, 3D 10.3%, Multiplayer 8.4%, PvP 6.1%
- #19 Man 2
85% matchNo user reviews2023
Dev: Kman Studios
Windows
Join Man as he fights lawyers, bad guys and invaders to protect his loved ones. This is a 3D fighting game with a 3D environment.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 46.3%, Funny 17.7%, 3D 13.1%, Multiplayer 10.4%, PvP 6.2%
- #20 Space Expand
84% matchMixed49% of 35 reviews2019
Dev: Fost Hope
Windows
Take control and expand your empire through different constellations in this minimalist 4X strategy game.
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 56.8%, Simulation 15.6%, Strategy 14.9%, Multiplayer 8.7%, Indie 4%
- #21 面具格斗:异世界觉醒 Mask Fighting:Otherworldly Awakening
83% matchNo user reviews2025
Dev: LongYing
Windows
In this immersive 3D fighting game, embody Jack – a timid youth thrust into a realm where masked power reigns supreme. Master fluid combos and leverage environmental tactics to defeat foes, seize their masks, and gain new abilities. But true power lies not in masks... but in the awakening within.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 41.7%, Third Person 23%, 3D 15.1%, 3D Platformer 11.7%, Cartoony 7.2%
- #22 Involved Roleplay
82% matchNo user reviews
Dev: ElkirStudio
Windows
Explore a living city where every player writes their own story. Work, build, trade, and rise through the ranks — become whoever you want to be in a persistent online world driven by real people, real jobs, and real choices. Welcome to true multiplayer roleplay.
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 36.2%, Multiplayer 17.6%, Simulation 15%, Realistic 14.1%, PvP 10.3%
- #23 Graduation Game
82% matchNo user reviews2025
Dev: Stray
Windows
An online collaborative competitive 3D game.
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 22%, Third Person 21.8%, 3D Platformer 21.1%, 3D 12.8%, Multiplayer 9.9%
- #24 Take the Throne
81% matchMostly Positive79% of 195 reviews2022
Dev: TopVR
Windows
Take the Throne is a massively multiplayer battle royale game with up to 25 players in a free-for-all bloody fight to be the last one alive.
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 36.4%, 3D Fighter 20.8%, Multiplayer 15%, Cartoony 8.7%, PvP 7.6%
- #25 Fartimus!
81% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Charlie
Windows
Use your voice to defeat enemy wizards in this online PVP Spell Casting Duel!
Why similar: 3D Fighter 28.1%, Massively Multiplayer 18.1%, Multiplayer 16.2%, Simulation 13.4%, 3D 12.2%
- #26 Tagtopia
80% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Isaac Abouaf
Windows
Dive into the animal kingdom for a multiplayer game of tag with your friends! Navigate your surroundings for cunning escapes or work together to corner your prey!
Why similar: Multiplayer 20%, 3D Platformer 19.4%, Funny 19.1%, Third Person 12.7%, Cartoony 10%
- #27 Marble Smashers
78% matchPositive100% of 13 reviews2024
Dev: CrossPalace
Windows
Marble Smashers is a 3D fighting game for 2-4 players where the goal is to knock out your opponents off the stage and be the last one standing. Do what you must with your limited moveset and stage objects to ensure your victory!
Why similar: 3D Fighter 35.5%, Third Person 20.4%, Multiplayer 17.1%, Funny 11.8%, 3D 10.1%
- #28 Karkaba
79% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Mubaraza LLC
Windows
Choose from 10 iconic Middle Eastern fighters and battle across legendary Arab stages. Karkaba is a deep, skill based fighting game where timing, combos, and character mastery decide every fight. Experience smooth 60 FPS combat with friends locally or compete online.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 46%, Multiplayer 18.3%, 3D Platformer 16.6%, Funny 9.7%, PvP 9.5%
- #29 PRV: Poultry Red-fox Viper
79% matchNo user reviews2024
Dev: PFDesign
Windows
Enter the untamed world of PRV! Pick your side —Chicken, Fox, or Snake— and engage in a fierce multiplayer battle. Coordinate with teammates, and seize bonuses. Will you dominate the food chain? Join now and let the hunt begin! 🐔🦊🐍
Why similar: 3D Fighter 30.5%, Third Person 16.6%, 3D Platformer 15.4%, Funny 13.1%, 3D 9.3%
- #30 OURWORLD
78% match2 user reviews0% of 2 reviews2023
Dev: Blitzball Inc.
Windows
"OURWORLD" is a 1:1 global flight simulator. You'll battle awakened A.I.s, safeguarding our world. It features 3D city modeling, multiplayer online gaming. Deluxe version include all aircraft and features.
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 33.5%, Third Person 21.1%, Simulation 18.3%, 3D 13.2%, Multiplayer 7.9%
- #31 Three Kingdoms:Ancient battlefield | 三国古战略
77% matchMostly Positive77% of 31 reviews2018
Dev: 真实模拟站
Windows
这是一款三国开房间即时联机游戏,玩法上你可以想象以前我们所玩的《三国群英传》或其它单机攻城类三国游戏的一种联机化改编,游戏可以多人对战,混战,组队打电脑等,一局时间在10~60分钟之间,具体视不同模式而定,比如混战会久一点,因为你要打败大部分对手,争取高分,而对战就短一点,因为对方一旦弱势可能就认输了。总之这个游戏玩法经过我2年多的折腾,现在结构算比较合理,当然里面也包含了一般的养成元素,游戏免费,但充钱玩的舒服无法避免,不过我尽量控制平衡(作者提示里说的内容),总的来说游戏倾向玩家自身技术硬实力,花钱为辅助,游戏中最强的玩家一般是弱氪,但很擅研究的人,整体比例是(技术70%)(氪金30%),我不隐瞒任何收费情况,真实坦荡,所以喜欢的就请加入进来吧。
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 64.6%, Simulation 17.8%, Strategy 16%, Indie 1.6%
- #32 EDYN
75% matchMostly Positive71% of 51 reviews2024
Dev: GALESTORM GAMES
Windows · Mac
Join the battle for EDYN, the ultimate multiplayer strategy game. Build settlements, command armies, and unify the realms in epic PvP warfare to etch your legacy into history. Raid, loot, make alliances, and unite to conquer the planet itself, with no Pay-To-Win mechanics to upset the playing field.
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 65.3%, Simulation 18.6%, Strategy 16.1%
- #33 Ruff 'N' Tumble: Mayhem
75% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Psycho Hound Ltd
Windows
Ruff 'N' Tumble: Mayhem is a truly ridiculous multiplayer beat 'em up party game.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 27.4%, Third Person 15.5%, Multiplayer 13.1%, Funny 12.9%, Cartoony 8.8%
- #34 Only Up!
76% matchVery Negative12% of 226 reviews2023
Dev: MoreMoto Games
Windows
Get set to defy gravity, leap like never before, and experience the exhilarating world of parkour in a whole new light! This isn’t just your ordinary parkour jump simulator - it’s a dynamic ONLINE MULTIPLAYER adventure that transforms your every move into a gravity-defying spectacle.
Why similar: Funny 18.7%, Multiplayer 18.4%, Third Person 14.9%, Simulation 10.3%, Realistic 9.1%
- #35 Ventura Inc
76% matchMixed69% of 13 reviews2018
Dev: Ben Strijbos
Windows
In Ventura Inc you can play with friends and foes to try and become the richest company in the world. Sign contracts with others. Run your business to avoid bankruptcy. You'll be competing with others to stay profitable in this persistent gameworld.
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 64.5%, Simulation 16.8%, Strategy 14.6%, Indie 4.2%
- #36 Covert X Universe
74% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Covert X Gaming
Windows
An explosive combat sandbox where you train, build power, command battle pets, and fight powerful players across multiple worlds—on a path to conquer the universe.
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 30.3%, 3D Fighter 21.7%, Third Person 17.5%, Multiplayer 9.4%, 3D 8.4%
- #37 WHO'S WHO 2.0
72% matchVery Positive83% of 173 reviews2025
Dev: Nightvendors Studio
Windows
Who's Who 2.0 is back with brand new team! Looking for another dynamic party game? Each characters now holds unique skills which now will impact each modes with its own advantages! You can play solo, or party up with your friends and become the winner by eliminating the real players among the NPCs.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 30.1%, Third Person 14.6%, Massively Multiplayer 13.8%, Multiplayer 12.2%, Strategy 8%
- #38 Spellbound Stumble
72% matchPositive100% of 11 reviews2024
Dev: Aberplex
Windows
Spellbound Stumble is a 2v2 arena shooter with an active ragdolls. It uses a host and join multiplayer system to find games.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 44.4%, Massively Multiplayer 23.1%, Multiplayer 12.5%, 3D 12%, PvP 6.4%
- #39 Bungo Bash
73% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Bungo Studios
Windows · Mac
A platform fighter that is fully 3D! Use your powerful abilities to knock other players out of the stage. The more attacks you land the farther they go!! Accessible to players of all skill levels but tons of depth for players who want to become Bungo champions!
Why similar: 3D Fighter 33.7%, Multiplayer 15.9%, Funny 12.2%, Cartoony 9.9%, 3D 9.2%
- #40 Valgrave: Immortal Plains
71% matchVery Positive83% of 939 reviews2020
Dev: Edenic Era LLC
Windows
Valgrave is a free-to-play combo focused Battle Royale game. Every game you'll decide if are a spell-slinging sorcerer or prefer to let your fists do the talking. Grab a combo and level up to show up your opponents. There are over 100,000 combinations.
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 31%, 3D Fighter 22%, Third Person 14.9%, Multiplayer 14.6%, Strategy 6.2%
- #41 Up Down All-a-Round
71% matchMixed61% of 18 reviews2024
Dev: A.T Games
Windows
Control your player's gravity up and down and all a round! Master your gravity manipulating abilites to outwit your opponents and win the game!
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 44.1%, Funny 13.8%, Cartoony 12.3%, 3D 12.1%, Multiplayer 9.7%
- #42 SAGA
73% matchMixed55% of 137 reviews2015
Dev: Silverlode Interactive
Windows
Median: 1.3 hrsMean: 12.0 hrs≥1hr: 60%
Build cities, command troops, and manage resources like in a traditional RTS, and also go on quests, chat with your friends, join guilds, and trade like an MMO. SAGA is an MMORTS with battling similar to the Total War series, mixed with city building from Stronghold.
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 68.7%, Strategy 17%, Multiplayer 9.6%, Indie 4.7%
- #43 Minds of Nations
70% matchMixed67% of 564 reviews2023
Dev: OmnemPub: Soul Playing Games
Windows
Grand Strategy Game. How does reincarnation affect the evolution of a state ? Control the material well-being of your country with a backbone of spiritual growth. Religion. Economy. Diplomacy. War. Souls. Karma. Ideology. Tech. Stories. Single-Player. MMO.
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 62.5%, Simulation 17.8%, Strategy 15.6%, Indie 4.1%
- #44 LocoMotion
71% match2 user reviews100% of 2 reviews2022
Dev: LaymGlitchedPub: Nanodogs Studios
Windows
Go out there and set that record! You can do it, You will need to infiltrate The Laym Studios in order to prove you are strong enough, To enter the next trials. But your task is not that simple... You need to do more. More than you are programmed to do.
Why similar: Third Person 25.6%, 3D Platformer 23%, Funny 18.6%, 3D 14.4%, Simulation 9.5%
- #45 Spectral Showdown
70% matchMixed67% of 42 reviews2022
Dev: Tinkering Studios
Windows
Spectral Showdown is a party brawl game where you fight your friends, family or greatest enemies to the death! Possess creatures at your will and use their abilities to help you! May the best fighter win!
Why similar: 3D Fighter 27.2%, Multiplayer 14.6%, Funny 14.1%, Third Person 13.2%, PvP 8.8%
- #46 Reciros
69% match7 user reviews43% of 7 reviews2026
Dev: Moddaria
Windows
Reciros is a multiplayer magic FPS where guns are replaced by elemental spells. Combine elements to create unique abilities and adapt your playstyle. Play King of the Hill or objective-based team modes online with Steam friends and prove you're the most powerful wizard.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 44%, Massively Multiplayer 35.4%, 3D 11%, Multiplayer 8.1%, Indie 1.4%
- #47 Transformice
69% matchVery Positive88% of 28,510 reviews2015
Dev: Atelier 801
Windows · Mac · Linux
Median: 1.3 hrsMean: 39.0 hrs≥1hr: 56%
Transformice is an MMO platformer about dozens of mice running to bring back the cheese! Will the almighty Shaman help you or just ruin everything? Millions of levels, hectic physics, skill trees, and more importantly... hats!
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 44.9%, Multiplayer 26%, Funny 22.8%, Strategy 4.8%, Indie 1.5%
- #48 Astra Strike
69% match2 user reviews100% of 2 reviews2024
Dev: Dot.Dear
Windows
Astra Strike is a team-based first-person tactical shooter set in the near future. Players play as one agent In the main game mode, players are assigned to either the attacking or defending team with each team having five players on it. Players have abilities.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 34.9%, Third Person 16.4%, 3D Platformer 15.6%, 3D 9.6%, Strategy 9.1%
- #49 Ways of History
70% matchMixed53% of 257 reviews2017
Dev: Glyph Worlds
Windows
Median: 1.4 hrsMean: 14.2 hrs≥1hr: 56%
Hardcore real-time strategy with a long-term round. Development of your civilization from caves to space. Huge world. Thousands of players. 240+ sciences and technologies. About 100 troops. 4 races. 50+ resource deposits. War, trade, science, construction...
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 66.2%, Strategy 21.1%, Multiplayer 9%, Indie 3.7%
- #50 Greedy Developer's Cash Grab
68% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Greedy DeveloperPub: Greedy Publisher
Windows
Grab cash, drop bombs, and run from Haters in this thinly veiled attempt to make quick money with a reskin of some Snake game we found on the Internet.
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 66.1%, Funny 12%, Multiplayer 11.1%, PvP 6.2%, Indie 4.7%
- #51 Stick Brawl
68% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Envision Games
Windows
Stick Brawl is an online 3D stick-figure fighting game where you battle with guns, swords, explosives, and fists in unpredictable fights.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 29.9%, Funny 17.1%, Multiplayer 16.1%, Third Person 15%, Cartoony 8.7%
- #52 Assassin Of Spider
66% matchMostly Positive76% of 17 reviews2026
Dev: Saylor Games
Windows
Play as warrior and try to beat giant spider boss in 7 different levels and find captured skulls in this medieval rpg adventure
Why similar: 3D Fighter 36.8%, Simulation 16.1%, Third Person 13.9%, 3D Platformer 13.4%, Funny 7%
- #53 Runway™
68% matchNo user reviews
Dev: unSAMEPub: Shepherd Games
Windows · Mac
Dress up, kick the models off the runway, strike a pose, and be fabulous~! Runway™ is a dress-up & kick 'em out mini arcade action game. Travel around the world, and be the queen of fashion.
Why similar: 3D Fighter 33.5%, 3D Platformer 20.2%, Third Person 14.6%, Funny 11.5%, Simulation 8.3%
- #54 Burning Ass
67% matchPositive100% of 12 reviews2024
Dev: .NetXCore
Windows
It is a multiplayer platformer set in a post-apocalyptic world full of mysteries, where water is the most valuable resource. If you are an hardcore player, bypass all the traps and be the first to get it! Blood, Gore, Fun!
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 47%, Third Person 24.8%, Multiplayer 13.4%, 3D Platformer 8.5%, 3D 5.1%
- #55 古代从军/Ancient military
67% matchMixed67% of 15 reviews2022
Dev: 猴子独立工作室
Windows
This game takes the official position as the subject matter, only through ceaselessly kills the enemy to have the opportunity to advance
Why similar: 3D Fighter 38.1%, Massively Multiplayer 23.7%, Multiplayer 15.4%, 3D Platformer 12.7%, 3D 7.1%
- #56 Formula Evolution 2024
65% matchMostly Positive70% of 685 reviews2024
Dev: Petr Šimůnek
Windows
The first-ever true MMO formula racing game is here! Play with up to 39 friends!
Why similar: Massively Multiplayer 39.9%, Multiplayer 16%, Third Person 11.7%, Simulation 9.4%, PvP 8%