Games Like Tenderfoot Tactics

An indie turn-based Tactics RPG with a heavy emphasis on exploration, character progression, and highly tactical combat. Create your own deeply customizable party of Warriors, Sorcerers, and Shiftcloaks to take on the Spire!

Why similar: Tactical RPG 21.7%, Turn-Based Tactics 13.9%, Party-Based RPG 13.9%, Class-Based 11.6%, Strategy RPG 10.3%

Why You'll Like It: Developed by the same team, this game shares a similar engine and deep focus on tactical combat and exploration.

Voyage into the wide world of Eral as an explorer, trader, or privateer. Defeat your enemies on land or at sea in deep but straightforward tactical combat. Unravel the secrets behind Dominio's betrayal – or sail off in search of your own adventure.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 18%, Party-Based RPG 14.2%, Strategy RPG 11.8%, Turn-Based Strategy 8.9%, Turn-Based Tactics 8.5%

Why You'll Like It: This title excels at combining open-world exploration, sailing, and complex tactical combat in a way that mirrors the spirit of Tenderfoot Tactics.

Wildermyth follows heroes over their whole careers, from their pitchfork days to their powerful primes, and on into old age and memory. It’s a party-based procedural storytelling RPG where tactical combat and story decisions will alter your world and reshape your cast of characters.

Why similar: Party-Based RPG 29.5%, Tactical RPG 20.8%, Turn-Based Tactics 17%, Character Customization 12.8%, Turn-Based Strategy 9.6%

Why You'll Like It: Offers a similar sense of procedural storytelling and party-based tactical combat with a distinct, hand-drawn art style.

Alvora Tactics is an indie Tactics RPG that combines strategic combat with immersive exploration. Explore and conquer Great Serpent Alvora with your own customizable band of warriors!

Why similar: Tactical RPG 19.1%, Party-Based RPG 14.9%, Turn-Based Tactics 13%, Class-Based 12.2%, Strategy RPG 11.6%

Why You'll Like It: Another title from the same developer that emphasizes grid-based tactical combat and party customization.

In Fae Tactics, follow a young magic user named Peony on her journey across a vibrant world full of mystery and danger. Summon allies, cast spells, and befriend a motley crew of characters as you dive into the growing conflicts between man and magical beings known as fae.

Why similar: Turn-Based Tactics 40.5%, Tactical RPG 16.2%, Strategy 15.4%, RPG 12.7%, Strategy RPG 12.2%

Why You'll Like It: Features elemental-based tactical combat and a vibrant, unique visual style that resonates with the feel of Tenderfoot Tactics.

Command, endure, and prosper in The Iron Oath, a turn-based tactical RPG where the fate of your mercenary company rests on your decisions. Customize your roster, build your renown, and discover the secrets that await in the medieval fantasy realm of Caelum.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 18%, Party-Based RPG 15.9%, Strategy RPG 12.4%, Turn-Based Tactics 10%, Turn-Based Combat 9.4%

Why You'll Like It: A party-based tactical RPG that emphasizes world exploration and the long-term consequences of your strategic decisions.

Untamed Tactics is a Tactical RPG set in world of colorful animals. Relive the legend of Greycoat’s escape into the untamed Wilds in a tale of lost honor and finding a new home as you fight, talk, and think your way through this beautifully illustrated adventure!

Why similar: Tactical RPG 22.7%, Party-Based RPG 17.9%, Turn-Based Tactics 13.4%, Turn-Based Combat 10.6%, Strategy RPG 8.1%

Why You'll Like It: A tactical RPG that emphasizes party-based combat and narrative-driven encounters.

Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark is a turn-based tactical RPG with a focus on storytelling and strategic battles. Unfold a mature story as you progress through hand-crafted scenarios, controlling your own group of Arbiters, with each character customizable from a wide selection of classes and abilities!

Why similar: Turn-Based Tactics 17.8%, Tactical RPG 17.4%, Strategy RPG 11.3%, Turn-Based Combat 9.8%, Turn-Based Strategy 9.1%

Why You'll Like It: A classic-style tactical RPG that offers deep character customization and complex turn-based combat.

Lead a mercenary company in this tactical RPG set in a medieval fantasy world. Chase fame and fortune as you choose where to go, who to recruit, which contracts to pursue, and how to train and equip your men in a procedurally generated open world campaign.

Why similar: Turn-Based Tactics 26.8%, Character Customization 21.9%, Open World 20.6%, Strategy 10.3%, Fantasy 9.6%

Why You'll Like It: Provides a gritty, open-world mercenary management experience with deep, punishing tactical combat.

Hire a band of almost-heroic goblins to fight and die for you in tactical turn-based battles, accomplish silly quests for the weird inhabitants of this fantastic world, and truly become a god - at least by goblin standards.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 19.8%, Party-Based RPG 16.7%, Strategy RPG 13.4%, Turn-Based Tactics 12.2%, Turn-Based Strategy 9.5%

Why You'll Like It: A tactical RPG that incorporates sandbox elements and party-based combat in a fantasy setting.

Raise mighty armies, wield ancient magic and forge an empire. This turn-based strategy adventure game fuses strategic decision making, tactical combat and kingdom management.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 18.7%, Strategy RPG 17.5%, Turn-Based Tactics 16.3%, Turn-Based Strategy 13.2%, Turn-Based Combat 12.2%

Why You'll Like It: Combines exploration-heavy world map movement with tactical turn-based combat and a distinct visual aesthetic.

Train your folks, defeat monsters and upgrade your town!

Why similar: Tactical RPG 27.1%, Turn-Based Tactics 16.7%, Strategy RPG 14.3%, Turn-Based Strategy 12.6%, Class-Based 9.7%

Why You'll Like It: A tactical RPG that focuses on party management and simple, clean visuals with deep strategic depth.

TROUBLESHOOTER: Abandoned Children is the first season of a turn-based strategy SRPG that takes place in the world of Troubleshooter.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 21.2%, Party-Based RPG 17.4%, Strategy RPG 15.6%, Turn-Based Tactics 13.7%, Turn-Based Strategy 10.6%

Why You'll Like It: A deep tactical RPG with extensive character customization and complex combat systems.

Step into the world of Terrazael and lead soon-to-be legendary heroes in a quest to restore a land fractured by broken oaths, reckless wars, and untamed magic. Fight back in turn-based battles, manage character relationships, collect dangerous artifacts, and hopefully restore the world...

Why similar: Tactical RPG 16.5%, Party-Based RPG 16.1%, Strategy RPG 15.7%, Turn-Based Tactics 11.5%, Turn-Based Strategy 11.5%

Why You'll Like It: A tactical RPG that focuses on character growth and turn-based combat with a distinct anime-inspired aesthetic.

For The King is a strategic RPG that blends tabletop and roguelike elements in a challenging adventure that spans the realms. Set off on a single player experience or play cooperatively both online and locally.

Why similar: Turn-Based Combat 21.2%, Open World 18.5%, Party-Based RPG 18.3%, Turn-Based Strategy 11.4%, Strategy RPG 9.9%

Why You'll Like It: Focuses on party-based exploration and turn-based combat with a strong emphasis on adventure and risk management.

Explore the strange unknown with Pathway, a strategy adventure set in the 1930s great wilderness. Unravel long-forgotten mysteries of the occult, raid ancient tombs and outwit your foes in turn-based squad combat!

Why similar: Tactical RPG 23.8%, Strategy RPG 20.7%, Turn-Based Tactics 17.2%, Turn-Based Strategy 12.3%, Turn-Based Combat 10.6%

Why You'll Like It: An exploration-focused tactical RPG that uses a unique pulp-adventure aesthetic and turn-based combat.

Explore the open world of Terscara as you advance through the challenging and tactical encounters in this epic turn-based tactical RPG. Form and lead a group of battle-proven companions, delve into the ancient dungeons to collect the elusive vault crystals, and end Xandar’s Wraith once and for all.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 19%, Party-Based RPG 15.9%, Strategy RPG 13.5%, Turn-Based Tactics 11.9%, Turn-Based Strategy 9.4%

Why You'll Like It: A sandbox tactical RPG that allows for extensive party management and strategic combat.

Adventure and fight in a medieval fantasy open world! Build heroic characters with various abilities, travel through villages, cities, or perilous dungeons. Strategic turn-based combat system and advanced character building - Fog of war, charging and flanking, and more in the fast-paced Arena mode.

Why similar: Party-Based RPG 20.2%, Tactical RPG 17.3%, Turn-Based Tactics 14%, Strategy RPG 13.2%, Turn-Based Strategy 12%

Why You'll Like It: Focuses on tactical combat based on D&D rulesets with exploration elements and party management.

Craft a party of diverse characters, each with customizable skills and looks. Explore a living world with dynamic day-night cycles, changing seasons, and diverse biomes. Embark on an epic journey where you shape your destiny as the director of your unique story.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 18.4%, Party-Based RPG 15.3%, Strategy RPG 12.4%, Turn-Based Tactics 11.5%, Turn-Based Strategy 9.1%

Why You'll Like It: A dungeon-crawling tactical RPG that features sandbox elements and turn-based combat.

Live through an epic role-playing Viking saga where your strategic choices directly affect your personal journey. Make allies as you travel with your caravan across this stunning yet harsh landscape. Carefully choose those who will help fight a new threat that jeopardizes an entire civilization.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 33%, Strategy RPG 25.8%, Turn-Based Strategy 18.5%, Strategy 5.6%, RPG 5.3%

Why You'll Like It: Features a strong focus on party-based travel, decision-making, and tactical combat in a beautifully illustrated world.

Abalon is a roguelike adventure that fuses tactical turn-based combat and card strategy. Choose your summoner and explore a tabletop world to discover its secrets. Build the perfect deck, outsmart your enemies and become legend!

Why similar: Party-Based RPG 28.3%, Turn-Based Tactics 20.8%, Turn-Based Combat 16.2%, Turn-Based Strategy 15.9%, Fantasy 6.7%

Why You'll Like It: Features tactical combat with card-based mechanics and grid-based movement in a fantasy setting.

Dream Tactics is a GBA-styled strategy RPG with cunning card combos and deep character customization. Pick your party, manage cards to create unique playstyles, and outsmart hordes of pillows in turn-based combat to save the Dream World from its inevitable collapse.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 23.8%, Party-Based RPG 19.3%, Strategy RPG 17.8%, Turn-Based Tactics 16.9%, Character Customization 10.3%

Why You'll Like It: A tactical RPG that incorporates card-battler elements and a unique, colorful visual style.

Ash of Gods: Redemption is a turn-based RPG that combines tactical combat, CCG elements, and a constantly evolving story in which no one is safe from death, including the main characters.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 20.7%, Party-Based RPG 20%, Strategy RPG 17.5%, Turn-Based Combat 13.2%, Turn-Based Tactics 10.8%

Why You'll Like It: A tactical RPG that balances narrative choices with challenging turn-based combat and party management.

An SRPG fan's SRPG! Imagine Fire Emblem with destructible battlefields; the ability to place traps; the ability to shove enemies off cliffs, into lava, or into each other; and a built-in campaign creator.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 20.4%, Strategy RPG 16.9%, Turn-Based Tactics 13.6%, Class-Based 12.5%, Turn-Based Strategy 11.6%

Why You'll Like It: Features grid-based tactical combat with a heavy emphasis on environmental interaction and positioning.

Lead a party of runaway mages through the dangerous world of Rund. Discover alchemy. Master magic. Explore the land. Survive the challenges.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 19.2%, Party-Based RPG 17.7%, Turn-Based Strategy 12.4%, Turn-Based Tactics 9.3%, Character Customization 8.9%

Why You'll Like It: Combines open-world exploration with tactical turn-based combat and a focus on magical experimentation.

Oaken, a turn-based tactical roguelike set in the spirit inhabited world. Explore the Great Oak, gather allies and trinkets, learn to use the positioning for your advantage, choose how to upgrade your cards. Wake the spirits and save the Oak!

Why similar: Turn-Based Tactics 27.4%, Turn-Based Strategy 19.5%, Turn-Based Combat 13.2%, Magic 8%, Fantasy 7.9%

Why You'll Like It: A tactical combat game that focuses on positioning and unique fantasy aesthetics.

A squad-based tactical RPG with fluid turn-based combat, outpost, and followers management, set in the expansive fantasy world of Zoria. Lead a team of four heroes with their unique skills and perks. Every team member contributes to undertaken battles.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 20.3%, Party-Based RPG 18.8%, Turn-Based Strategy 11.6%, Turn-Based Combat 11.3%, Character Customization 10.7%

Why You'll Like It: A party-based tactical RPG that emphasizes exploration and atmospheric world-building.

Gather your party, roll your dice and battle across the islands to put an end to a powerful curse once and for all in this roguelike turn-based tactical RPG!

Why similar: Tactical RPG 19.6%, Strategy RPG 15.9%, Party-Based RPG 15.5%, Turn-Based Tactics 13.6%, Turn-Based Combat 9.6%

The Adventurers is a turn-based tactical RPG where every decision shapes your legacy. Lead your party of heroes in an open world filled with random events that affect your story. Survive a high fantasy landscape where your epic saga is waiting to be written.

Why similar: Party-Based RPG 16.7%, Tactical RPG 14.8%, Strategy RPG 11.9%, Turn-Based Tactics 11.1%, Class-Based 11.1%

Live By The Sword: Tactics is a streamlined tactical RPG that blends classic and contemporary gameplay elements. The game is set in a world recovering from the ravages of war, you must navigate the treacherous landscape to prevent further turmoil. Single Player and Multiplayer modes available.

Why similar: Strategy RPG 16.3%, Class-Based 16.1%, Turn-Based Tactics 14.4%, Tactical RPG 13.1%, Turn-Based Strategy 12.2%

Why You'll Like It: A tactical RPG that focuses on turn-based strategy and varied character builds.

An open world party-based RPG with turn-based combat. Heroes of the Seven Islands is a comfy yet challenging mid-sized adventure in a vast fairytale world, inspired by 90s games.

Why similar: Party-Based RPG 23%, Class-Based 12.6%, Nonlinear 11.9%, Turn-Based Combat 11.4%, Character Customization 8.9%

Rediscover game night in this tactical RPG where shared strategy shapes every turn. Adventure across the Sunderlands with up to four players in online multiplayer using your mouse & keyboard or play couch co-op using phones as controllers.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 20.6%, Party-Based RPG 18.4%, Class-Based 13.3%, Turn-Based Tactics 13%, Turn-Based Strategy 10.5%

Aetheris is a tactical RPG with challenging turn-based battles set in an immersive and vibrant environment. Make the right choices and find the best strategy to survive in the unforgiving Wilderness. Journey alone or as a party of four—the adventure awaits!

Why similar: Party-Based RPG 23.1%, Tactical RPG 22.7%, Turn-Based Tactics 14%, Turn-Based Combat 12.9%, Turn-Based Strategy 12.3%

A bloodthirsty, high fantasy, turn-based combat, open-world RPG! Light on story, this game is about deadly tactical combat and developing a legendary adventuring party!

Why similar: Tactical RPG 19%, Party-Based RPG 14.3%, Strategy RPG 11.6%, Turn-Based Tactics 10.7%, Turn-Based Combat 9.7%

Lead a team of adventurers to the highest rank of all guilds!

Why similar: Tactical RPG 19.3%, Party-Based RPG 17.8%, Strategy RPG 14.6%, Turn-Based Tactics 12.5%, Turn-Based Strategy 10.9%

Age of Reforging: The Freelands is a medieval high-freedom sandbox adventure CRPG. You'll be a reforger in the freelands chosen by the Goddess to embark on a medieval adventure tour at your own pace, gathering teammates, fighting for survival, and craft your unique legend!

Why similar: Party-Based RPG 20.9%, Tactical RPG 16.3%, Strategy RPG 14.9%, Open World 11.2%, Character Customization 8.5%

Radix is a tactical RPG inspired by SNES and Playstation classics. With dark themes but bright characters, this fantasy tale changes depending on how you fight! Your magic can even alter the land itself. Use your timing and skill, rather than your luck, to lead your party home safely each day!

Why similar: Tactical RPG 28%, Turn-Based Combat 17.6%, Turn-Based Strategy 15.3%, Magic 12.4%, Turn-Based Tactics 10.2%

A turn-based RPG that is action-oriented but rewards a thoughtful approach. Explore a fantastic land populated by different animal tribes. Follow the main story or hunt for treasures in ancient ruins and mysterious dungeons. Develop your character and gain powerful equipment.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 42.5%, Turn-Based Combat 16.6%, Open World 13.7%, Strategy 6.9%, Colorful 6.5%

Can your party lift the curse that has befallen the once peaceful Vale? An adventure for 4-6 characters of Level 1-3, loosely based on Dungeons and Dragons Open Game License (OGL 1e/2e).

Why similar: Party-Based RPG 20.6%, Class-Based 17.5%, Tactical RPG 17.1%, Turn-Based Combat 10.9%, Character Customization 10%

Become the new Guild Master of the Adventurer Guild and lead your adventurers in explorations and turnbased tactical battles. Will the Guild thrive under your leadership? Or will it finally disband under it?

Why similar: Party-Based RPG 23.7%, Turn-Based Tactics 16.1%, Character Customization 11.1%, Turn-Based Strategy 10.6%, Class-Based 9.4%

A fantasy turn-based tactical RPG built on depth and mechanical complexity, featuring classless character building, strategic management, and small unit tactics on a world scale.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 18.8%, Strategy RPG 15.9%, Turn-Based Tactics 13.8%, Turn-Based Combat 12.9%, Strategy 10.1%

Roguelike Squad-based Autobattler in a Tabletop RPG setting. Draft your army, carefully equip and position your units, make important choices, and meet a colorful cast of characters as you make ready for the Grand Tournament.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 32%, Turn-Based Tactics 20.9%, Strategy RPG 20.8%, Strategy 7.3%, Fantasy 6.7%

Spellcrafter is an RPG game with deep tactical turn-based combat and a unique spell casting system. Explore the magical world, collect gold, interact with NPCs, take quests and make moral choices! Recruit heroes, assemble and summon powerful troops and send them into battle!

Why similar: Strategy 55.5%, RPG 44.5%

Why You'll Like It: A tactical RPG that focuses on magic-based combat and strategic decision-making.

In Tactical Breach Wizards, you lead a team of renegade wizards in kevlar through turn-based battles to unravel a modern conspiracy plot. Combine their unique spells in clever ways, or rewind time to try every crazy plan you can think of to punch a Traffic Warlock through a 4th story window.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 25.3%, Turn-Based Tactics 22%, Strategy RPG 21.3%, Turn-Based Strategy 18.5%, RPG 3.8%

A turn-based tactical RPG about a group of troublesome magic students. Use timing mechanics to power your spells and block attacks, explore the twisted halls of a vast magic school, fight challenging monsters and bosses, and uncover dark secrets never meant to be found.

Why similar: Turn-Based Tactics 34.8%, RPG 25.9%, Fantasy 17.5%, Magic 16%, Singleplayer 5.8%

NovaMundi is an open world exploration game with tactical combat. Lead your party into the dangerous lands of the Andes. Recruit people in towns, explore caverns filled with dangerous spirits to gain the blessings of the land, and unite the people to stand against the invaders.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 43.1%, Strategy RPG 23.4%, Open World 16.9%, Exploration 8.6%, Strategy 6.2%

Join three fresh recruits caught in a web of betrayal as war looms over the land. Lead your band of heroes through tactical turn-based battles, master unique abilities, and forge powerful gear to turn the tide of battle. Will you unravel the conspiracy driving the conflict—or be consumed by it?

Why similar: Tactical RPG 20.1%, Party-Based RPG 17.7%, Strategy RPG 15.2%, Turn-Based Tactics 12.7%, Turn-Based Strategy 10.9%

Wartales is an open world RPG in which you lead a group of mercenaries in their search for wealth across a massive medieval universe. Explore the world, recruit companions, collect bounties and unravel the secrets of the tombs of the ancients!

Why similar: Party-Based RPG 24.7%, Turn-Based Strategy 18.1%, Tactical RPG 17.1%, Open World 14.3%, Turn-Based Combat 11.4%

This is a Pixel Tactical Self-Propelled RPG Games The battle system adopts a semi-turn-based design, Quick Battle or Enter the Battlefield? It's time to decide! In this journey full of magic, you will also meet a variety of characters, who may become your allies, or your partners...

Why similar: Turn-Based Tactics 22.8%, Tactical RPG 22.3%, Party-Based RPG 21.9%, Turn-Based Strategy 15.9%, Strategy 8.5%

Crawl Tactics combines classic turn-based tactics with roguelike progression. In Dungeon Mode, face challenging, ever-changing encounters as you explore procedurally generated maps. In Quest Mode, develop your village, train your mercenaries, and defend against growing enemy invasions.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 21.1%, Party-Based RPG 18%, Turn-Based Tactics 14.7%, Strategy RPG 13.9%, Turn-Based Combat 10.9%

A 2D narrative-focused strategic RPG with visual novel elements. You play as Willow Wisp, a campfire spirit who guides a group of amateur adventurers in harnessing the warm magic of self love to fend off the Frost that surrounds them.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 29.5%, Turn-Based Tactics 18.2%, Strategy RPG 16.7%, Turn-Based Strategy 10.3%, Turn-Based Combat 8.7%

Lead a group of childhood friends through their first adventures in a turn-based tactical RPG played under the rules of PF2E, the second edition of a powerful OGL ruleset. Customize their builds, acquire loot and level up, and ultimately defeat the sinister enemies who threaten your hometown.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 24.4%, Party-Based RPG 18.8%, Turn-Based Tactics 16.7%, Turn-Based Combat 11.1%, Character Customization 10.9%

Crystal Project is a non-linear JRPG where you are the maker of your own adventure. Explore the world while you find Crystals, unlock classes, learn abilities, and create a strategy capable of taking down the world's toughest bosses. Or just stick to exploring; it's up to you.

Why similar: Party-Based RPG 22.8%, Class-Based 19.4%, Nonlinear 14.7%, Turn-Based Strategy 11.7%, Turn-Based Combat 11.3%

Enter Tahnra, a land savaged by war. You, a fresh academy graduate with humble beginnings, will grow to lead a grand army against a corrupt adversary. Gather heroes, form bonds, and lead your force in turn-based battles. Make use of tactics, terrain, morale and more to bring peace to the land!

Why similar: Tactical RPG 33.9%, Strategy RPG 15.5%, Turn-Based Strategy 14.4%, Party-Based RPG 13.5%, Turn-Based Tactics 7.5%

Lead a tribal warband and time your attacks to the beat of the Wardrum in this tactical turn-based roguelite! Forge a path across a harsh fantasy world full of rhythm magic, face death and strengthen your warriors until you have the power to destroy the dark sorcery infecting the lands.

Why similar: Turn-Based Tactics 27.3%, Turn-Based Combat 22.1%, Turn-Based Strategy 16.4%, Strategy 9.8%, Party-Based RPG 9.5%

A tactical, turn-based RPG from the makers of Legend of Grimrock games. Every action, every turn counts as you control your party of heroes through challenging, handcrafted missions in the ancient, mist-clad Menhir Forest.

Why similar: Turn-Based Tactics 39.1%, Turn-Based Combat 21.1%, Strategy 17%, Fantasy 11.4%, RPG 9.7%

Reverie Knights Tactics: Prologue takes you on a journey to a hand-drawn fantasy world, where you guide your heroes through the first hour of the upcoming tactical RPG. The Prologue introduces you to the game’s story and includes three battles, as well as item crafting and character customization.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 19.6%, Strategy RPG 16.3%, Turn-Based Tactics 16.1%, Turn-Based Strategy 14.5%, Turn-Based Combat 12.8%

Fates of Ort is a retro fantasy RPG focused on strategic action, in a land where time is frozen when you stand still. Cast powerful spells - but beware, they will cost you your life.

Why similar: Strategy RPG 25.1%, Open World 16.9%, Tactical RPG 15.4%, Magic 14.3%, Exploration 8.9%

An open-world adventure RPG. Choose your favorite character, train your elite legion step by step, and crush all enemies on the battlefield. Strengthen yourself, establish a powerful family, create a great dynasty, and become the dominator of this fantasy world.

Why similar: Tactical RPG 29.6%, Party-Based RPG 25.2%, Strategy RPG 20.8%, Open World 8.4%, Strategy 4.7%