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  1. #1 Cozy Cat
    97% match2 user reviews100% of 2 reviews2025
    Dev: Project Soda
    Windows

    Desktop Pet Healing Game: Enjoy peaceful daily life in your cat's desktop sanctuary. Click the room to direct its movement, and use the music button to play Lo-fi music for a cozy vibe. Click the cat to see a special dance! A perfect pause from your busy routine.

    Why similar: Idler 26%, Simulation 23.1%, Point & Click 20.6%, Life Sim 19.4%, Drama 6.3%

  2. #2 Square Game
    96% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: Joshua Sherrard
    Windows · Linux

    Watch the Square bounce around the screen in this idle incremental Game about squares, dots and other shapes. Upgrade, Prestige and even build a deck of awesome abilities in Square Game!

    Why similar: Idler 46.6%, Simulation 37.4%, Colorful 7.2%, 2D 5.4%, Indie 1.9%

  3. #3 Jellyfish blind box 水母盲盒
    96% matchPositive100% of 11 reviews2025
    Dev: Happy Fish
    Windows

    【Jellyfish blind box】 is a light-hearted placement game where you can buy jellyfish blind boxes to raise your tiny jellyfish, sell them for a profit as they grow up over time, or leave them in the tank for admission.

    Why similar: Idler 28.3%, Simulation 23.5%, Point & Click 23.4%, Life Sim 18.4%, Colorful 3.2%

  4. #4 Donut Land Clicker
    95% matchMostly Negative30% of 10 reviews2023
    Dev: ReSkill Games
    Windows

    A casual game where you need to conquer the world with your donuts, so that everyone talks about your donuts in every nook and cranny. To build an empire, you have to curse a donut, and then on the accumulated donuts - build an empire, buy business after business, improvement after improvement.

    Why similar: Idler 34.6%, Simulation 27.8%, Point & Click 27.4%, Pixel Graphics 4.8%, 2D 3.4%

  5. #5 Molo's Revenge
    94% match3 user reviews100% of 3 reviews2024
    Dev: MelonStudios
    Windows · Mac

    Molo's Revenge is the incremental journey of a mole dragon to avenge his village by doing the thing he does best: Digging.

    Why similar: Idler 53.6%, Simulation 30.4%, Pixel Graphics 6.9%, 2D 6%, Indie 1.9%

  6. #6 The Big Book of Monsters
    94% match2 user reviews50% of 2 reviews2024
    Dev: Sam Cherry
    Windows

    EARLY ACCESS: Embark on an epic journey in The Big Book of Monsters! Customize your heroes, face unique enemies across adventures, and master a dynamic upgrade system. Unlock powerful abilities, manage alchemy timers, and dive into a prestige system where strategy shapes your path to ultimate power.

    Why similar: Idler 32.5%, Simulation 29.1%, Point & Click 27.7%, Pixel Graphics 4.8%, 2D 3.9%

  7. #7 SLIME EGG
    93% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: AYUMI FUJINO
    Windows

    Raise and hatch eggs in this idle breeding simulation. Collect various types of SlimeMonster, also known as "Slimeon," and complete your collection!

    Why similar: Idler 35.9%, Point & Click 23.5%, Simulation 18.6%, Life Sim 9.3%, Pixel Graphics 5.8%

  8. #8 Cat On The Desktop
    92% match5 user reviews100% of 5 reviews2023
    Dev: GCN
    Windows

    Who can refuse a cat! A cat on the desktop interacts with you, hangs up, and enjoys this tranquility together

    Why similar: Point & Click 28.5%, Idler 27.5%, Life Sim 22.3%, Simulation 19.6%, Indie 1.5%

  9. #9 My Little Friend Chibi
    91% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: SVGames
    Windows

    Meet your new virtual pet, Chibi! Do your best to keep it alive and reveal all its secrets!

    Why similar: Idler 29.6%, Psychological Horror 27.6%, Point & Click 18.5%, Simulation 17.6%, Life Sim 3.1%

  10. #10 Fish
    91% matchVery Positive81% of 346 reviews2024
    Dev: cooldev
    Windows

    you click fish to get fish.

    Why similar: Psychological Horror 35.8%, Idler 23.1%, Simulation 21.3%, Point & Click 16%, 2D 2.8%

  11. #11 荒岛钓鱼记
    90% matchPositive100% of 20 reviews2025
    Dev: EP牛局长
    Windows · Mac

    This is a desktop mini-game. Tim will be your desktop pet, fishing non-stop until he catches a palm-sized fish.You can put the caught items into the fish tank or sell them to exchange for costume items.

    Why similar: Idler 44.7%, Life Sim 23.2%, Simulation 22.4%, 2D 5.6%, Indie 2.4%

  12. #12 Bloom N Buzz
    89% match2 user reviews0% of 2 reviews2025
    Dev: Damon Hazelden
    Windows

    Serve your hive in this relaxing tycoon-style game. Fill the role of a dedicated worker bee, pollinate flowers! Build up your hive! Produce honey.

    Why similar: Idler 28.5%, Life Sim 24.7%, Point & Click 24%, Simulation 9.7%, Colorful 4.3%

  13. #13 Lint
    88% matchMixed67% of 15 reviews2026
    Dev: tankpillow
    Windows

    Lint is a minimalist idle game where lint builds up the longer you stay. Collect it, upgrade your production, and turn tiny dust balls into an unstoppable fluff empire.

    Why similar: Idler 38.5%, Point & Click 29.8%, Simulation 20.1%, Colorful 5.2%, 2D 4%

  14. #14 Miner Clicker
    87% matchMostly Positive71% of 21 reviews2025
    Dev: Steldrift
    Windows

    Miner Clicker is a short idle indie game where you have to click to mine. Click to gather resources, reach new depths, and buy upgrades to dig faster and deeper! Who knows what you might find at the bottom of the mine!

    Why similar: Idler 37%, Point & Click 29.1%, Simulation 21.6%, Pixel Graphics 5.2%, 2D 4.1%

  15. #15 Failure simulator
    89% matchPositive97% of 30 reviews2021
    Dev: XXaLoserXX
    Windows

    Waste time like in real life, do absolutely nothing watch your screen while you wonder were did things go wrong in your life. A simulation game that you do nothing just look at your screen. A complete waste of time and money.

    Why similar: Idler 47.8%, Life Sim 26.1%, Simulation 25%, Singleplayer 1.1%

  16. #16 Violent Horror Stories 2
    86% matchVery Positive81% of 187 reviews2025
    Dev: Trioskaz
    Windows

    A brand‑new bundle from the creators of the short‑form horror hit Violent Horror Stories. This time the collection revolves around one chilling theme: confinement.

    Why similar: Psychological Horror 35.5%, Point & Click 27%, Simulation 24.9%, Action 6.8%, Colorful 3.6%

  17. #17 Avocado
    86% matchMixed54% of 129 reviews2024
    Windows

    Avocado is a clicker game made with the next generation in green technology, in which you click an avocado! In Avocado you click the avocado to obtain even more avocados! Drop new and exciting avocados to trade with your friends! Come and enjoy yourself as a part of the Avocado gang!

    Why similar: Idler 29.9%, Point & Click 24.2%, Life Sim 23.8%, Psychological Horror 10.9%, Simulation 10.7%

  18. #18 Pet-That-Vtuber!
    83% matchPositive98% of 44 reviews2025
    Dev: PixelSeraF
    Windows

    A brutal and honest look into the reality of petting a cute girl on her head. Enjoy the digital warmth of simulated physical affection. Pet Zen on her head. Try different cute outfits. Having fun is encouraged.

    Why similar: Simulation 37%, Point & Click 28.5%, Life Sim 21.8%, Pixel Graphics 5.6%, 2D 4%

  19. #19 Numenclature
    84% match2 user reviews50% of 2 reviews2025
    Dev: Just Some Guy Game Studio
    Windows

    Numenclature is a vibrant idle game where you harness the power of numbers and words to conquer challenges, unlock upgrades, and grow your mastery. Simple to learn, endlessly rewarding to play.

    Why similar: Idler 42.3%, Simulation 32.9%, Point & Click 19.7%, 2D 2.8%, Indie 1.5%

  20. #20 Disgusting Puzzle 2
    85% match4 user reviews75% of 4 reviews2023
    Dev: STuNT
    Windows

    Disgusting Puzzle 2 is a puzzle game designed for persons over 18 years old. The game is very simple, you have to collect a picture, which consists of 20 elements. With successful assembly a button will appear with the transition to the next level.

    Why similar: Idler 44.3%, Simulation 39.9%, Colorful 7.2%, 2D 5.5%, Indie 2%

  21. #21 Sleep Simulator
    84% match3 user reviews33% of 3 reviews2024
    Dev: Jan Švec
    Windows

    Welcome to the world of "Sleep Simulator," where you will immerse yourself in the fascinating and hyper-realistic world of sleep.

    Why similar: Idler 39.2%, Simulation 33.1%, Life Sim 26.8%, Singleplayer 0.9%

  22. #22 Your Lil' Cow
    82% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: Somia Games
    Windows

    Handle your cow—the world's most "straight" bovine. Your Lil' Cow is a cute, pixel-art desktop companion that lives for your touch. Drag to build momentum, trigger explosive "Milking Frenzies," and spend your hard-earned milk on gacha draws to collect a wide variety of cute accessories.

    Why similar: Idler 32.5%, Simulation 25.2%, Point & Click 19.2%, Life Sim 15.2%, Pixel Graphics 3.8%

  23. #23 ISLET GARDEN
    81% matchPositive100% of 22 reviews2025
    Dev: Ketopon Lab
    Windows

    「ISLET GARDEN」 is an idle game you can enjoy on your desktop. Plant vegetation on your island, and its residents will automatically gather resources for you. Use the resources you collect to upgrade and gradually adorn your island!

    Why similar: Idler 58%, Simulation 33.1%, Pixel Graphics 9%

  24. #24 Toilet Clicker
    82% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: Redwood Entertainment
    Windows

    A hilariously absurd idle clicker where you flush toilets to collect bizarre items, and build the ultimate toilet collection with community-voted additions.

    Why similar: Idler 38.4%, Point & Click 32.4%, Simulation 19.8%, Colorful 3.5%, 2D 2.6%

  25. #25 My Chibi Friend
    79% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: Harmonia Games
    Windows

    My Chibi Friend is a cute companion that lives on your desktop and interacts with you! Watch your character walk, eat, clean – and even answer your questions!

    Why similar: Idler 37.6%, Simulation 33.8%, Life Sim 16.6%, 2D 4%, Colorful 3.7%

  26. #26 The victims of lost sunny days: Eclipse
    78% match4 user reviews100% of 4 reviews2025
    Dev: Sin and SunPub: BRXKENVN
    Windows

    You accidentally find a game you don't remember having and launch it. There seems to be nothing strange about it: it’s a regular children's game with bright graphics. But in this colorful and friendly world, an ominous eclipse sets in…

    Why similar: Idler 38.7%, Psychological Horror 28.1%, Point & Click 25.6%, 2D 4.9%, Colorful 2.4%

  27. #27 My Best Nightmare
    80% matchMostly Positive74% of 19 reviews2021
    Dev: Artur Shevale
    Windows

    The quest with psychological horror elements, nice pixel art, and a non-linear story.

    Why similar: Idler 37.9%, Point & Click 33.4%, Psychological Horror 15.7%, Pixel Graphics 6.2%, 2D 4.8%

  28. #28 我!刘备!卖鞋救汉!
    78% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: MaskCatStudioPub: 独立个人兴趣使然开发
    Windows

    I! Liu Bei! Sell shoes to save han! Is a stand-alone role-playing/simulation management/tower defense strategy game. The story of Liu Bei who sold straw sandals to recruit soldiers and obtain special military generals and eventually unified The Three Kingdoms.

    Why similar: Idler 38.4%, Simulation 34.1%, Life Sim 26.5%, Singleplayer 0.9%

  29. #29 Awesome Metal Detecting
    81% matchMixed65% of 459 reviews2017
    Dev: Nikita Markin
    Windows
    Median: 3.4 hrsMean: 5.2 hrs≥1hr: 93%

    The best treasure hunter game.

    Why similar: Simulation 57.3%, Psychological Horror 23.6%, Action 12.5%, Indie 6.7%

  30. #30 WattWorks
    77% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: IceMan
    Windows · Linux

    WattWorks a chill Idle game where can build and expand your power grid. You play as the manager controlling your company by building power generators and expanding your company in your small world. To Expand further you have to sell your company and rebuild a stronger company

    Why similar: Idler 37.8%, Simulation 31.5%, Point & Click 29.9%, Singleplayer 0.8%

  31. #31 Mining
    76% matchMostly Positive72% of 277 reviews2025
    Dev: MaiBaHe
    Windows

    Mining is a click game where you can click on the mining pile! In Banana, you can click on the heap to mine ore! Occasionally, you may drop a mineral. Come and play with us!

    Why similar: Idler 57.1%, Point & Click 34.1%, 2D 5.8%, Indie 1.8%, Singleplayer 1.2%

  32. #32 开家小店
    77% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: The wind blows again
    Windows

    You take over a new store, and as a new owner, you're going to make it your own, how are you going to run it, whether it's to make your store lively, or to make it a gathering place for specific enthusiasts, or to sell your favorite items. The decision is yours.

    Why similar: Idler 56.5%, Simulation 30.2%, 2D 6.4%, Pixel Graphics 5.7%, Singleplayer 1.1%

  33. #33 Professor Simulator
    76% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: HCL
    Windows · Mac

    In this relaxing idle sim. You're a new university lecturer starting your academic career, You can recruit students, build a research team, complete projects, publish papers, gain impact points, earn promotions, buy equipment, and expand your lab!

    Why similar: Idler 46.1%, Simulation 35.5%, Pixel Graphics 8.4%, Colorful 5.1%, 2D 3.8%

  34. #34 Banana Town
    79% matchMixed57% of 37 reviews2017
    Dev: Joseph MacDonald
    Windows

    Be who you were meant to be. Be a Banana!

    Why similar: Psychological Horror 51.2%, Simulation 48.8%

  35. #35 Greengrocer's
    75% matchMixed58% of 73 reviews2024
    Dev: Lizard Games Studio
    Windows · Mac · Linux

    Greengrocer's is a clicker game where you click vegetables! In Greengrocer's, you click vegetables to gain even more vegetables! For every 3 clicks, you get a new vegetable! You will also receive extra vegetables for the time you spend managing your Greengrocer's.

    Why similar: Idler 26.3%, Point & Click 20.1%, Life Sim 17.5%, Simulation 14.5%, Psychological Horror 13.7%

  36. #36 Screen Pets
    75% match5 user reviews100% of 5 reviews2025
    Dev: zowlf
    Windows

    Cute pets live at the bottom of your screen while you do other things.

    Why similar: Simulation 37.7%, Idler 24.6%, Life Sim 15.6%, Pixel Graphics 5.8%, Indie 5.7%

  37. #37 Cuddle Corner
    74% match5 user reviews100% of 5 reviews2025
    Dev: Dango Dynamics
    Windows

    Meet your tiny companions in this adorable desktop pet simulation. Feed them with care, play together, and create a cozy home with colorful decorations. Whether you’re working, gaming, or on a break, spend time with these charming friends.

    Why similar: Idler 30.6%, Simulation 24%, Life Sim 20.4%, Point & Click 12.4%, Pixel Graphics 5.6%

  38. #38 Radio Buddy
    73% match1 user reviews100% of 1 reviews2026
    Dev: Konsole Game Labs
    Windows · Mac · Linux

    Radio Buddy is a relaxing 2D pixel‑art idle simulation. Tune in, unwind, and enjoy a cozy, family‑friendly retro vibe at your own pace.

    Why similar: Idler 46.9%, Simulation 36.8%, Pixel Graphics 7.7%, 2D 5.6%, Indie 1.9%

  39. #39 Sheepers
    74% match8 user reviews89% of 9 reviews2024
    Dev: Shimagara Games
    Windows

    Take on the charming challenge of raising and nurturing a vibrant flock of sheepers.

    Why similar: Simulation 31.6%, Idler 29.9%, Point & Click 27.9%, Indie 5.1%, 2D 3.3%

  40. #40 Edge
    71% matchMostly Positive76% of 17 reviews2025
    Dev: TEStudio
    Windows

    Alex is supposed to just meet his girlfriend at a club. An ordinary evening, an ordinary city, an important meeting with people who can change his future. But the road to the club turns into a real nightmare.

    Why similar: Psychological Horror 33.4%, Idler 32.9%, Simulation 19.9%, Drama 12.1%, Indie 1.2%

  41. #41 Stump Simulator 2
    71% matchPositive94% of 31 reviews2025
    Dev: Dynamic Games
    Windows

    Stump Simulator 2 is a game in which you can become a tree stump.

    Why similar: Psychological Horror 32.7%, Simulation 24.7%, Life Sim 20.6%, Souls-like 13.1%, Action 6.5%

  42. #42 BalloonBreaker
    72% matchMixed68% of 25 reviews2024
    Dev: NB Software
    Windows

    Welcome to Balloon Breaker, the addictive and exhilarating game that will keep you entertained for hours! Your mission is simple but challenging: inflate and pop as many balloons as possible using your trusty mouse. Enjoy your balloons!!!

    Why similar: Idler 52.5%, Point & Click 43.1%, Indie 2.5%, Singleplayer 1.9%

  43. #43 Idle Hamburgers Save the World
    73% matchMostly Positive73% of 64 reviews2022
    Dev: okyakusamaPub: okyakusama
    Windows

    Your goal is just to keep producing hamburgers and solve the global food crisis.

    Why similar: Idler 45.8%, Point & Click 31.4%, Simulation 15.3%, 2D 4.3%, Indie 1.9%

  44. #44 The Phone from Another World: My First Love
    71% matchNo user reviews2026
    Dev: PlumkoPub: WeissGarden
    Windows

    If she’s truly gone… Then who is answering the phone?

    Why similar: Idler 29%, Simulation 27.1%, Psychological Horror 24.8%, Point & Click 15.9%, Colorful 2.8%

  45. #45 Baby Time Simulator
    72% match1 user reviews100% of 1 reviews2023
    Dev: SakiwareG
    Windows

    Escape the busy daily grind and become a baby again! The ultimate game for recapturing the pure joy of babyhood that everyone has forgotten.

    Why similar: Idler 48.6%, Simulation 27.2%, Point & Click 12.9%, Colorful 3.6%, Indie 3.5%

  46. #46 Idle Mythical Beasts
    70% match7 user reviews86% of 7 reviews2025
    Dev: 所以然
    Windows

    Auto-battle against mythical beasts to unlock more powerful ones

    Why similar: Idler 49.7%, Point & Click 42.2%, 2D 5%, Indie 2%, Singleplayer 1.2%

  47. #47 Maltese's Fluffy Onsen
    68% matchVery Positive95% of 2,784 reviews2025
    Dev: Sinkhole Studio
    Windows · Mac
    Median: 6.6 hrsMean: 28.8 hrs≥1hr: 79%

    Run a bathhouse visited by animals! Maltese's Fluffy Onsen is a relaxing simulation game that you can enjoy while doing other tasks, as it sits at the bottom of your screen. Place baths with different temperatures and rest areas to help a variety of animal friends unwind.

    Why similar: Idler 38.8%, Simulation 22.4%, Life Sim 13%, Point & Click 10.4%, Pixel Graphics 8.4%

  48. #48 Planet Keeper Program
    70% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: Robo-Human Studios
    Windows

    You were chosen for the Planet Keeper Program. Defend the planet in this retro-inspired incremental game. Upgrade our defenses, destroy our enemies, ensure our future.

    Why similar: Idler 40.3%, Point & Click 22.9%, Simulation 19.2%, Pixel Graphics 7.3%, Colorful 5.5%

  49. #49 Kiosk 199X
    70% matchNo user reviews2026
    Dev: 3M PIXEL STUDIO
    Windows

    Run a tiny 90s kiosk in a chaotic Eastern country - Kolkhozland. Serve quirky customers, survive inspections, pick a side in a local power struggle, and uncover a hidden conspiracy - all in a story-driven retro management sim full of humor and choices.

    Why similar: Simulation 33.5%, Point & Click 29%, Life Sim 27.1%, Pixel Graphics 5.3%, 2D 4.4%

  50. #50 Number Factory
    69% matchMixed46% of 40 reviews2025
    Dev: Alerot
    Windows

    Build the ultimate number production empire! Automate generators, unlock powerful upgrades, and prestige for permanent bonuses. Compete on global leaderboards and watch your numbers grow to infinity in this addictive idle incremental game.

    Why similar: Idler 44.4%, Point & Click 28.8%, Simulation 18%, Pixel Graphics 6.5%, Indie 1.1%

  51. #51 我的小鲨鱼
    68% matchOverwhelmingly Positive97% of 4,311 reviews2024
    Dev: Warma
    Windows

    来领养一只电子小鲨鱼吧!你可以在这里把它当作物品一样处置,并掌握它的一切。但请放心,无论发生了什么,电子小鲨鱼仍然爱你。

    Why similar: Psychological Horror 55.1%, Simulation 13%, Point & Click 10.7%, Pixel Graphics 8.8%, Life Sim 7.3%

  52. #52 Idle Farming Business
    69% matchMostly Negative32% of 34 reviews2025
    Dev: Urban Isotope
    Windows · Mac

    Build your farm empire

    Why similar: Idler 34.2%, Simulation 30.6%, Point & Click 27%, Colorful 4.2%, 2D 3.4%

  53. #53 CPU Clicker
    69% matchNo user reviews2026
    Dev: Valter Negreiros
    Windows

    Click to generate cycles and power up your processor. Upgrade attributes to boost your production, push your CPU to its limits, and manage overheating before your system overloads and crashes.

    Why similar: Idler 33.1%, Point & Click 29%, Simulation 28.7%, Pixel Graphics 5.1%, 2D 3.6%

  54. #54 Nano Neighbors
    67% matchVery Positive84% of 149 reviews2025
    Dev: Studio BitDotPub: UNIKAT Label
    Windows

    A cozy online incremental idle game you can play with your friends at the bottom of your screen. Customise, play mini games, earn & spend!

    Why similar: Idler 37.9%, Life Sim 23.1%, Point & Click 15.5%, Simulation 9.3%, Colorful 5.6%

  55. #55 The Vessel
    67% match8 user reviews100% of 8 reviews2025
    Dev: Raman Tarasau
    Windows

    A short, experimental horror experience with bleak and unsettling atmosphere.

    Why similar: Simulation 48.8%, Psychological Horror 36.4%, Pixel Graphics 11%, Indie 2.4%, Singleplayer 1.5%

  56. #56 Remote Life Simulator
    68% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: dyvoker
    Windows

    Work remotely, build skills, earn money, and upgrade your life. Become a professional remote worker in this life simulation game!

    Why similar: Simulation 34.6%, Idler 33.9%, Life Sim 25.6%, 2D 3.6%, Indie 1.6%

  57. #57 Color Idle
    67% matchNo user reviews
    Dev: Benjamin StaugaardPub: Benzoft
    Windows

    Color Idle is a relaxing idle clicker where art paints itself! Click to color pixel art, complete quests, and unlock chapters of unique artwork. Earn gold, ascend for upgrades, recruit drones, and unlock hundreds of achievements as each masterpiece comes to life pixel by pixel.

    Why similar: Idler 38.5%, Point & Click 24.6%, Simulation 21.5%, Colorful 6.6%, Pixel Graphics 4.8%

  58. #58 Desk Dino
    66% match5 user reviews100% of 5 reviews2025
    Dev: SimpleDev
    Windows

    Some naughty pixel dinos run around on your computer desktop, being some good accompany while you're working, studying or relaxing. Feed them or play with them, it's on your mark. Don't worry, they won't bite. Enjoy your dino.

    Why similar: Idler 64.3%, Simulation 16.4%, Pixel Graphics 8.4%, 2D 7.3%, Indie 2.1%

  59. #59 Click to win 5000 achievement
    66% match7 user reviews71% of 7 reviews2026
    Dev: ankeerPub: Group achievement
    Windows

    Rhythmic 2D clicker game with Brazilian funk. Simple clicks, constant progress and powerful music create a dynamic atmosphere, and a large number of achievements motivate you to move on.

    Why similar: Idler 47.8%, Point & Click 35.8%, 2D 7.7%, Colorful 5%, Indie 1.9%

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