- #1 Winery Simulator
97% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Live Motion Games
Windows
In the Winery Simulator, you will take control of an old and neglected vineyard. Through your work, it will regain its former glory.
Why similar: Life Sim 36%, Immersive Sim 26.7%, Simulation 15.2%, Relaxing 8.2%, 3D 7.8%
- #2 AI Roommate: Life with an Artificial Companion
96% matchMixed62% of 21 reviews2025
Dev: Raetae Studios
Windows
Share your home with an AI-powered roommate who learns, grows, and makes every day unique. Explore a lively neighborhood, travel to fascinating cities like Oasis City, and discover places full of adventures, genuine connections, and unforgettable friendships.
Why similar: Life Sim 34.8%, Immersive Sim 25.9%, Simulation 14.1%, Casual 9.5%, Relaxing 8.2%
- #3 Bloom Island
96% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Snuggle Cat
Windows
Escape to Sunny Solana, your cozy island. Gather resources to craft, explore, and decorate. From dawn butterfly hunts to sunset fishing, live the seasons in this charming, ever-changing world.
Why similar: Life Sim 39.3%, Immersive Sim 31.5%, Simulation 17.3%, 3D 7.8%, Singleplayer 2.4%
- #4 Leaf Blower Co.
95% matchMostly Positive75% of 172 reviews2025
Dev: LifT GamesPub: Forklift Interactive
Windows
Blow your leaves and your cares away in this chilled out work sim. Build up your business, buy new tools, and unlock upgrades - all while watching the leaves fly. After all, one man’s trash is another man’s cash.
Why similar: Immersive Sim 27%, Relaxing 19.6%, Simulation 15.1%, Life Sim 12.7%, Casual 10.3%
- #5 The Liftboy
94% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Elevator Pitch GamesPub: CINEMAX GAMES
Windows
Being a liftboy is easy… until it’s not. Carry luggage, serve guests, and survive the chaos of hotel life. From physics-driven suitcase disasters to questionable VIP requests, this isn’t just a job—it’s a game. And Ted Grady? He’s the last of his kind.
Why similar: Life Sim 35.8%, Immersive Sim 29%, Simulation 15.2%, Relaxing 9.6%, 3D 8%
- #6 Underpaid
93% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Cryptic Dog Studio
Windows
Become a Swiss Army knife in the job market! Train, take on contracts, and manage your money in a world where the paranormal and mystery have their place.
Why similar: Immersive Sim 39.4%, Life Sim 35.7%, Simulation 13.1%, 3D 8.6%, Indie 1.7%
- #7 Ice Cream Revolution
92% matchPositive89% of 18 reviews2025
Dev: Apache Gunner Games
Windows
Run your own ice cream shop! Take customer orders, scoop delicious ice cream, add toppings, serve your customers, and become the ultimate Scoop Master!
Why similar: Immersive Sim 36.3%, Life Sim 33.7%, Relaxing 10.5%, Simulation 10.1%, 3D 8.2%
- #8 The Most Boring Life Ever 2 - Work From Home
94% match2 user reviews50% of 2 reviews2022
Dev: Virtual Sky Interactive
Windows
Do you miss life pre covid? The fantastic yet boring 9-5 of our existence? Then this is NOT the game for you. This boring game involves you clicking your way through the day during quarantine as you go by living life with covid in this endless experience.
Why similar: Life Sim 41.2%, Immersive Sim 31.2%, Simulation 18%, Atmospheric 8%, Singleplayer 1.7%
- #9 Lofton Oasis
91% match2 user reviews50% of 2 reviews2026
Dev: fornohouse
Windows
In Lofton Oasis, you can either enjoy laughter-filled toilet cleaning… or just lose your mind and cause chaos on the spot.
Why similar: Immersive Sim 36.2%, Life Sim 33.2%, Relaxing 12.7%, Simulation 10.1%, Casual 6.5%
- #10 SENKOU
91% match3 user reviews100% of 3 reviews2025
Dev: あめざいく
Windows
You must not extinguish any of the incense sticks. This is the only rule in this game. You can continue playing for longer by controlling the wind direction and timing when to add new incense sticks. When all the incense sticks are extinguished, the game ends.
Why similar: Immersive Sim 46.5%, Relaxing 22%, Simulation 17.3%, 3D 11.6%, Singleplayer 2.6%
- #11 BonfireSimulator
89% matchMostly Positive78% of 18 reviews2025
Dev: EhanCreative Inc.
Windows
A relaxing simulation game about lighting and managing campfires. Chop down trees and nurture the embers to build a large, beautiful fire. Enjoy and collect various weather effects and events alongside a realistic campfire experience.
Why similar: Life Sim 34.4%, Immersive Sim 34%, Relaxing 14.3%, Simulation 7.3%, Atmospheric 4.2%
- #12 Grocery Store Simulator
89% matchNo user reviews
Dev: CustomDev
Windows
Build, manage, and grow your own grocery store empire! Step into this exciting retail simulation adventure and experience the challenges and rewards of running your very own store.
Why similar: Life Sim 37%, Immersive Sim 26.7%, Simulation 15.9%, Casual 10.8%, 3D 6.4%
- #13 drowning
90% matchMostly Positive77% of 13 reviews2022
Dev: BADGAMES
Windows
immerse yourself in the world's first drowning simulator
Why similar: Life Sim 36.6%, Immersive Sim 35.7%, 3D 9.2%, Casual 6.2%, Atmospheric 5.4%
- #14 Cloud
87% match4 user reviews75% of 4 reviews2026
Dev: Wurara
Windows
Cloud is a short, relaxing experience where you guide a cloud across the sea, absorb moisture, and bring rain to help plants grow as you drift between islands.
Why similar: Life Sim 25%, Immersive Sim 18.6%, Relaxing 16.5%, Simulation 10.8%, Casual 10%
- #15 Living Sim
88% match1 user reviews100% of 1 reviews2024
Dev: FGS
Windows
Take control of your routine and live how you want Work Explore the map buy what you want simulating real life.
Why similar: Life Sim 39.4%, Immersive Sim 37.4%, 3D 9.4%, Simulation 7.7%, Casual 4.9%
- #16 Game Shop Simulator
86% match8 user reviews38% of 8 reviews2025
Dev: SP GAMES
Windows
Create the ultimate video game store! where you sell video games, Consoles, or Gaming Notebooks to popular girls streamers! , this game lets you live out your dream of running a thriving gaming business.
Why similar: Life Sim 32.4%, Immersive Sim 26.5%, Simulation 13.3%, Casual 7.5%, 3D 7.5%
- #17 Technology Market Simulation
86% matchPositive100% of 11 reviews2025
Dev: LoreleiTech
Windows
Run your own tech store in Technology Market Simulation! Buy, sell, and strategize to grow your business. Customize your shop, manage inventory, and build your tech empire!
Why similar: Life Sim 35.6%, Immersive Sim 28.3%, Simulation 15.3%, Casual 10.8%, 3D 6.9%
- #18 FUTURE:ONE
85% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Ultranova Labs
Windows
FUTURE:ONE is a living desktop companion who shares your screen — reacting, idling, and expressing herself while you work, game, or wander the web.
Why similar: Life Sim 36.5%, Immersive Sim 29.6%, Simulation 15%, Relaxing 10.2%, Atmospheric 7.4%
- #19 Veterinary Clinic Simulator
84% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Animal Studio
Windows
Play as a veterinarian whose job is to save the lives of various animals. During the game, to save your patients, you will have to be observative and react quickly to various events. The fate of the animals is in your hands!
Why similar: Life Sim 33.5%, Immersive Sim 28.3%, Simulation 11.6%, Relaxing 9.4%, 3D 7.8%
- #20 Bartender Life Simulator
84% matchNo user reviews
Dev: LetiGames
Windows
What is a bar owner to you? A manager? A bartender? An interior designer? A psychologist? And what if you had to take on all these roles? Interact with customers, manage supplies, craft cocktails, and redesign the interior to earn the title of the best bar.
Why similar: Life Sim 30.4%, Immersive Sim 28.7%, Simulation 15.3%, Relaxing 7.9%, 3D 6.3%
- #21 Ant Simulator
83% match1 user reviews0% of 1 reviews2025
Dev: Decentralized Horizons LLC
Windows
Perfect for relaxing, background running, or anyone fascinated by tiny ecosystems. Watch the quiet life of an ant unfold in a beautifully animated terrarium. No control, no stress — just peaceful observation.
Why similar: Life Sim 47.2%, Simulation 13.9%, Casual 12.7%, 3D 11.4%, Atmospheric 10.1%
- #22 Delivoo Delivery Sim
82% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Vlad Butnaru
Windows · Mac · Linux
Deliver orders through the large city of Peytor Town and save enough money to open a restaurant. Make sure you're ready, as there's a lot of challenges waiting for you!
Why similar: Life Sim 35.6%, Immersive Sim 28.9%, Simulation 14.3%, Casual 9.6%, Relaxing 9.3%
- #23 Watch Restoration
82% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Gray2RGB
Windows
Enter the world of watch restoration in your well-equipped workshop. Attracting global clients, you restore antique and modern watches, handling worn parts and precise calibration. Each unique project demands meticulous care, combining technical skill and creativity for flawless, impressive results.
Why similar: Immersive Sim 34.8%, Life Sim 25.2%, Simulation 18.2%, 3D 9.7%, Atmospheric 8.5%
- #24 Balcony Garden
81% matchNo user reviews
Dev: LMagic Reality Studio
Windows
A cozy VR gardening game where you grow 80+ rare plants from all seven continents. Water, fertilize, and care for your garden. Enjoy dynamic weather, calm vibes, and surprise visits from cute animals — all without quests or complex systems
Why similar: Life Sim 33.8%, Immersive Sim 27.7%, Relaxing 10.1%, Simulation 8.6%, 3D 7.8%
- #25 Cat Hostel 开一间猫咪民宿吧!
81% match1 user reviews100% of 1 reviews2025
Dev: 绿橘子
Windows
Open a cat hotel where you can pet cats!
Why similar: Life Sim 52%, Relaxing 19%, Simulation 15.9%, Casual 9.2%, Indie 2%
- #26 My Hotel Simulator
79% matchMixed56% of 43 reviews2025
Dev: Digital MelodyPub: Games Incubator
Windows
Build and manage your own hotel, from a small property to a luxury resort. Design rooms, maintain cleanliness, develop amenities, and offer guests unforgettable experiences at your hotel!
Why similar: Life Sim 34.7%, Immersive Sim 19.3%, Simulation 14.3%, Relaxing 13.5%, Casual 8.1%
- #27 Pawn Simulator
80% matchMixed57% of 83 reviews2024
Dev: Editmode
Windows
A simulation game where we run a pawn shop. Take the first steps to open a thrift shop in Detroit and discover the experience of running a real thrift shop. Find, restore, and sell amazing items and build your own shop kingdom!
Why similar: Life Sim 32.9%, Immersive Sim 27.4%, Simulation 14.3%, Relaxing 8.1%, Casual 8%
- #28 Roadhouse Simulator - Prologue
79% matchNo user reviews
Dev: DRAGO Entertainment
Windows
Experience the uncle’s story before the events of Roadhouse Simulator and explore his humble beginnings while trying your skill as a bouncer at a roadhouse or Route 66.
Why similar: Life Sim 35.9%, Immersive Sim 28.9%, Simulation 14.8%, Casual 10%, 3D 8%
- #29 Bill
78% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Marijenburg Games
Windows
You are a genius at crafting. He is a stranded Alien baby who crashed in your garden. His survival depends on you! Craft tools and furniture, Upgrade your house, Farm your food, organize, and personalize your home. Help a baby alien to survive on earth and find out more about it
Why similar: Life Sim 39.2%, Immersive Sim 31.3%, Simulation 16.7%, Relaxing 5%, Casual 3.5%
- #30 Grocery Store Tycoon
77% matchVery Positive88% of 103 reviews2025
Dev: Spyder Lab Gaming
Windows
Build and manage your own grocery store in first person. Run the register, stock inventory, hire employees, and expand your business from a small market into a thriving retail operation.
Why similar: Immersive Sim 34.5%, Life Sim 30.6%, Simulation 10.7%, Relaxing 10.7%, 3D 7.6%
- #31 Waiting for Your Food Delivery Simulator 2025
77% match1 user reviews100% of 1 reviews2025
Dev: HaggisBytes
Windows
Modern life's greatest horror: waiting for takeout. You've got 40 minutes to kill before your order arrives. Stare, pace, join a cult, block a toilet—whatever it takes. Miss the delivery and face eternal hunger. The survival horror game nobody asked for.
Why similar: Life Sim 37.2%, Immersive Sim 34.7%, Relaxing 11.5%, Simulation 8.7%, Casual 5.6%
- #32 Artificial Life Simulator
78% match9 user reviews89% of 9 reviews2024
Dev: Sammy
Windows
Artificial Life Simulator is a relaxing and colorful simulation game where you create artificial life forms based on particle interactions. The particles interact with each other through forces, resulting in unique emergent behaviors.
Why similar: Life Sim 39%, Relaxing 20.3%, Immersive Sim 19%, Simulation 8.9%, Atmospheric 6.4%
- #33 Life Without You
76% matchNo user reviews
Dev: akhsotoen
Windows
Life Without You is a simulation of sitting at the computer, immersing you in the harsh atmosphere of Patience.
Why similar: Life Sim 37.9%, Immersive Sim 30.1%, Simulation 16.7%, 3D 13.6%, Singleplayer 1.8%
- #34 아무 일도 없었다.
75% match5 user reviews100% of 5 reviews2026
Dev: app_G
Windows
Endure the gaze inside the elevator.
Why similar: Life Sim 38.3%, Immersive Sim 30.6%, Simulation 17.9%, Casual 10%, Indie 1.7%
- #35 The Prospector
76% matchNo user reviews
Dev: smaamsgames
Windows
In The Prospector, you'll play as a miner in the town of Everrain, unlocking new areas and equipment as you gain experience. Explore the town, craft items like jewelry and tools, and build a life in a community as you live the life of a miner.
Why similar: Life Sim 34.2%, Immersive Sim 28.6%, Simulation 10.4%, Relaxing 8.9%, 3D 7.1%
- #36 Kaiju Cleaner
74% matchNo user reviews
Dev: HBG Studio
Windows
As a professional cleaning master, never turn down any customer! From small animals, to big ...... Kaiju, all of them are welcome!
Why similar: Life Sim 33.5%, Immersive Sim 30.7%, Relaxing 13%, 3D 8.3%, Simulation 6.6%
- #37 Salvage Shop Simulator
73% matchMixed49% of 75 reviews2026
Dev: GameFormatic S.A.
Windows
Enter the world of shopkeepers trading in reclaimed goods! Bid for the best items at auction, prepare and clean the bought items, and then sell them in your shop. Test your skills and watch your business grow!
Why similar: Life Sim 36.7%, Immersive Sim 27.9%, Simulation 15.4%, Casual 10.2%, Relaxing 8.2%
- #38 Furniture Restoration Simulator: Garage Edition - Prologue
74% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Icelake InteractivePub: PlayWay S.A.
Windows
Turn old, damaged furniture into beautiful pieces again. Sand, paint, polish, and enjoy the relaxing process of restoration. Play the free Prologue and experience the first steps of your renovation workshop.
Why similar: Life Sim 39.5%, Immersive Sim 31.9%, Simulation 16.9%, 3D 8.8%, Indie 1.6%
- #39 Transport Simulator
73% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Koko Game Studio
Windows
Turn a small courier shop into a massive transport company. Hire new employees and purchase new vehicles. Negotiate different product licenses and build the most profitable system based on your strategy.
Why similar: Life Sim 36.1%, Immersive Sim 29%, Simulation 16.5%, Casual 9.2%, 3D 6.5%
- #40 Korean BBQ Simulator
75% matchPositive93% of 14 reviews2022
Dev: PSI Game Studio
Windows
A fun and wacky -* cough* I mean, totally realistic physics-based grilling game based on Korean cuisine. Take control of the grill at a Korean BBQ restaurant and become the master of meats. Can you compete with others online and earn the ultimate title of Korean BBQ Master?
Why similar: Life Sim 34%, Immersive Sim 27.5%, Simulation 10.8%, 3D 7.8%, Casual 6.8%
- #41 Airport Renovator: Prologue
72% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Two HorizonsPub: TBA
Windows
The airport is devastated. It’s up to you to bring it back to the state of usability and beyond! Grab your tools cause the forces of nature have taken over this place. Collect air-dropped loot crates, complete diverse missions, and equip this airport with everything it needs. Go international!
Why similar: Life Sim 40.6%, Immersive Sim 27.2%, Simulation 10.3%, Casual 6.1%, Relaxing 5.4%
- #42 勇闯华强北
72% matchNo user reviews
Dev: 半醉的蜗牛
Windows
你今年22岁,大学刚毕业,但是马上就失业了。 你决定,带着大学4年积累下来的18000元, 冲进华强北,当一回背包客。 泪水打湿猪脚饭,发誓要赚一百万!
Why similar: Life Sim 41.7%, Immersive Sim 32.1%, Relaxing 9%, Casual 6.5%, Simulation 4.2%
- #43 Renovation Plan
73% matchPositive80% of 10 reviews2024
Dev: 虚拟游方
Windows
This is a relaxing and leisurely home decoration game, you need to follow the design map to put all kinds of furniture in the corresponding position. Each room has unique furniture and decoration style, more gorgeous large apartment waiting for you to decorate.
Why similar: Life Sim 33.4%, Immersive Sim 22.1%, Relaxing 13.8%, Simulation 9.6%, 3D 8.6%
- #44 THE Curry SIMULATOR
71% match8 user reviews100% of 8 reviews2025
Dev: Curry Lab
Windows
Mindlessly mixing curry. That's the best time. Curry will burn if you take your eyes off it for even a moment. Give it lots of love and keep stirring it slowly to prevent it from burning.
Why similar: Immersive Sim 40.1%, Simulation 20.2%, Relaxing 18.3%, Atmospheric 11%, 3D 7.7%
- #45 The Search For Fran 3
71% matchPositive90% of 10 reviews2024
Dev: Archor WrightPub: Archor Games
Windows
The Search For Fran 3 - Fran is missing (Again), it is up to You and Your friends to find her
Why similar: Life Sim 36.1%, Immersive Sim 28.9%, Simulation 15.2%, Casual 9.8%, 3D 7.2%
- #46 Shop Manager Simulator
71% match4 user reviews50% of 4 reviews2024
Dev: Next Dimension Lab
Windows
Take charge of your own retail outlet. Stack shelves with products, hire staff, set prices, appease the customers, manage suppliers, expand your space. Grow from a little store into a massive supermarket.
Why similar: Life Sim 37.3%, Immersive Sim 30.3%, Simulation 15.4%, Relaxing 8.1%, 3D 7.8%
- #47 Fairground Online
68% matchMostly Positive80% of 284 reviews2026
Dev: CoasterGalaxyWorld
Windows
Fairground Online – The Ultimate Simulator! Operate rides, create light shows, and set the mood with music. Experience realistic physics, detailed controls, and a day-night cycle. Play online with friends worldwide and join the community!
Why similar: Life Sim 42.1%, Immersive Sim 28.5%, Simulation 18.8%, Atmospheric 8.8%, Singleplayer 1.8%
- #48 Resort Simulator
70% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Fishleaf Games
Windows · Mac
Run and manage a seaside resort! Take care of guests and handle daily operations. Grow your resort step by step, create the perfect vacation atmosphere, and enjoy a calming simulation experience.
Why similar: Immersive Sim 25.2%, Life Sim 21.9%, Relaxing 16.1%, Simulation 13.9%, Atmospheric 8.4%
- #49 Maldives in Dream
70% matchMixed60% of 10 reviews2025
Dev: MDIDGamePub: Spirit and Time Studio
Windows
This is a beautiful paradise on the sea. The white sand beach is breathtaking, the sea is Tiffany blue and the water is as clear as a mirror. You can walk, run, swim and enjoy the sunrise on the beach at any time. There is no work and no worries here. You can just immerse yourself in this beauty.
Why similar: Immersive Sim 28.5%, Life Sim 28.4%, Relaxing 11.4%, Simulation 9.4%, Atmospheric 8.2%
- #50 Swimming Pool Cleaner
69% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Trigger Labs
Windows
Swimming Pool Cleaner is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to become a one-person pool cleaning team. Take on rewarding tasks of cleaning pools and modifying them. Make them come to life and earn money while doing it!
Why similar: Life Sim 35.7%, Immersive Sim 28.6%, Simulation 16.5%, Relaxing 10.1%, 3D 7.9%
- #51 Love Hotel Manager
69% match2 user reviews100% of 2 reviews2025
Dev: Chibinomicon Games
Windows
Love Hotel Manager is a game where you own your own Love hotel! Manage and customize unique and whacky rooms while dealing with strange customers and their needs. Slowly expand your hotel to become a thriving business.
Why similar: Life Sim 38.4%, Immersive Sim 31.1%, Simulation 16.1%, 3D 8.7%, Casual 3.1%
- #52 Landscaper Simulator
68% matchNo user reviews2026
Dev: Midnight Game Studios
Windows
Lawns are wild. Parks are buried in weeds. Streets are littered. The world needs a hero, and that’s where you come in. As the Landscaper, it’s your job to turn disorder into beauty. With your weed whacker, pressure washer, and trash vacuum, you’ll trim, scrub, and restore every space to perfection.
Why similar: Immersive Sim 29.4%, Relaxing 17.5%, Simulation 15.7%, Life Sim 12.2%, Casual 8.9%
- #53 Mall Manager
67% matchNo user reviews
Dev: Geoffrey Ruis
Windows · Linux
Welcome to Mall Manager, where you can build and manage your personalized mall. Choose your manager, design from scratch, and expand across unique worlds. A friendly indie management sim.
Why similar: Life Sim 38.7%, Immersive Sim 31.4%, Simulation 16.1%, 3D 8.7%, Casual 2.9%
- #54 FOAM CUTTING SIMULATOR
66% matchPositive91% of 11 reviews2026
Dev: 神 SHEN
Windows
Watching things get sliced cleanly feels like hitting your brain’s reset button and melting stress in a second.
Why similar: Life Sim 31.7%, Immersive Sim 22.7%, Relaxing 20.9%, Simulation 15.2%, 3D 4.9%
- #55 Plot Twist
67% matchMixed48% of 33 reviews2025
Dev: Sagittarius Fox
Windows
Welcome to Plot Twist, where you take on the role of an ambitious writer in a world of stories and inspiration. You will manage your own writing career, create bestsellers, gain fans, and shape the history of literature! Your success depends on making the right decisions and your creativity!
Why similar: Life Sim 37.6%, Immersive Sim 30.5%, Relaxing 11.2%, Simulation 10%, Casual 5.8%
- #56 My Bakery Empire
68% matchMostly Negative36% of 14 reviews2024
Dev: CrazyLabsPub: QubicGames
Windows
Enjoy this yummy cake-baking story and help Lizzie fulfill her dream of opening her own sweet bakery!
Why similar: Life Sim 35.1%, Immersive Sim 31.3%, Relaxing 13.4%, 3D 8.7%, Simulation 6.3%
- #57 拾光酒館
66% matchNo user reviews
Dev: SOFTSTAR ENTERTAINMENT
Windows
The player be a store manager and runs a bistro. He could design the daily menu and create the perfect marriage between the wine and food.
Why similar: Life Sim 35.7%, Immersive Sim 28.2%, Simulation 10.7%, Relaxing 10.7%, 3D 7.7%
- #58 My Life as a Robot Vacuum
66% matchPositive97% of 34 reviews2025
Dev: Lord Soul Studios
Windows
Assume the role of a Robot vacuum and roll around cleaning up messes in this short 3rd person adventure!
Why similar: Life Sim 36.4%, Immersive Sim 29.9%, Simulation 13.6%, 3D 7%, Atmospheric 5.2%
- #59 Mosquito Simulator
67% match7 user reviews43% of 7 reviews2024
Dev: Qianmo Interact
Windows · Mac · Linux
Mosquito simulator is a prank game in the type of simulation and survival.
Why similar: Life Sim 34.5%, Immersive Sim 27.4%, Simulation 11%, Relaxing 8.8%, 3D 7.8%
- #60 Digital Expo Center
70% matchPositive84% of 25 reviews2021
Dev: DEC
Windows
Digital Expo Center is an innovative virtual platform which is designed for various interesting exhibitions for everyone and everywhere
Why similar: Life Sim 42.2%, Immersive Sim 33.4%, 3D 9.8%, Casual 7.8%, Simulation 5.1%